Thursday, September 6th, 2012

Man Expounds

Bill Clinton: your feelings? And don't pretend you don't have any.


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carpetblogger (#306)

I would personally pay for a stable of interns to keep him happy if it meant he could be president again.

hockeymom (#143)

I'd forgotten how smart he is. And wonky. And how he can sell numbers and stats and still connect.
And how when he goes off script, it's not bizarre and uncomfortable…it's often the best part of the speech.
Not a perfect human….but pretty damn good politician.

Clinton is a tough act to follow and I can imagine Maureen Dowd's next column.

Mount_Prion (#290)

I was fortunate enough to have him as a college graduation speaker just before the last election.

Incredibly eloquent guy. Actually had me wanting to vote for his wife for a couple of weeks after the speech.

Julia duMais (#237,428)

[comment about length and/or stamina and/or impressive oral work]

jfruh (#713)

I was almost embarassed by how excited I was to see someone talk passionately and accessibly about policy nerd stuff rather than going on about everyone's "personal journey" or whatever. I guess I'm not the best judge because I'm a nerd myself but it struck me that his math and numbers and policy stuff would have been interesting or at least tolerable to normal people, too?

I like him very much. He's a bright bulb.

He's fighting like hell for his legacy, which most liberals (like Obama circa 2008) have been shitting on for being way too conservative. But now he gets to bring down the house explaining why he was so good and the ways in which Obama is similar.

Also I thought he might just die in the middle of his speech.

carpetblogger (#306)

The best part of the DNC — not just Clinton's and Michelle's speeches, which were spectacular — was finally, after the freakshow of the GOP primaries and RNC, seeing an America I recognize.

carpetblogger (#306)

@carpetblogger Feelings! I have them.

Lockheed Ventura (#5,536)

@carpetblogger Your America consists of public sector union hacks in funny hats?

dntsqzthchrmn (#2,893)

@Lockheed Ventura At least in part, yes.

laurel (#4,035)

@Lockheed Ventura My America does include a role for union hacks, yes. Funny hats welcome but optional.

wb (#2,214)

Is it "Clintonsplaining" or "Billsplaining"?

Jared (#1,227)

@wb Yes, hashtag users need to know!

deepomega (#1,720)

As ever, I wonder who might watch a convention speech and change their mind (or make up their mind) about who they're voting for. Does a target audience exist here?

carpetblogger (#306)

@deepomega 110% base riling. No undecided voter has ever been swung b/c of a convention in the history of ever.

Lockheed Ventura (#5,536)

@deepomega It riles up the base and political junkies. Since Obama's tenure has been lackluster at best, you need to give the faithful a little bit of that old 2008 magic so they show up at the polls in November.

deepomega (#1,720)

@Lockheed Ventura I should have added: I have a hard time imagining a person who was considering sitting out this election, but tunes into the convention. Seems like preaching to the over-enthusiastic choir.

jfruh (#713)

@Lockheed Ventura & @deepomega — actually, one thing I've been surprised by this season is hearing people who aren't wonks or politics junkies or nerds talk about watching the convention speeches (from both conventions). These people aren't the mythical "undecided voters" (I think there are precious few of those this year) but are people who have an interest in the news and current events, and have political opinions, but don't necessarily spend all their time thinking about them.

In some ways I think politics nerds can be overly cynical about the conventions, since we know exactly how we're going to vote, know everybody who's going to be speaking, know what the stump speech lines they're going to hit are, and know that the conventions are giant scripted commercials that don't really have the power that they did 50 years ago. We tend to assume that everyone is either exactly like us in this level of knowledge or that they're just completely uninterested in politics and wouldn't watch under any circumstances. But there is a broader middle ground of people who are interested but not obsessive and who are receptive to a concentrated dose of messaging from the party they're leaning towards. That is the primary TV audience for these things, I think. (The primary in-person audience is for party activitsts who will get riled up and then go volunteer and/or contribute money.)

jfruh (#713)

@jfruh I should add: Thank fucking God the conventions don't have the power they did 50 years ago! I'd be super OK with a nationwide one-day primary for both parties instead of the current drawn-out process, but at least it involves millions of humans voting, not a few thousand people haggling over favors. Did you see how orgasmic the political press got over the idea that the Republclans might have a brokered convention this year? Totally for "this will sell papers" reasons, not for "this would be even vaguely good for the democratic process" reasons.

Lockheed Ventura (#5,536)

Where is the Michael Dukakis keynote?

jfruh (#713)

@Lockheed Ventura not to toot my own horn, but, hell, here you go, close as you're going to get.

One thing I thought while watching this is that Clinton is really the only popular ex-president or ex-nominee left alive to give this kind of speech. I guess Reagan was the equivalent for a while, though he wasn't able to give a speech for very long (I seem to recall him giving one to the GOP convention in '92 and it being pretty shaky).

Lockheed Ventura (#5,536)

@jfruh The Massachusetts Miracle. Never forget.

brianvan (#149)

The man who made drycleaning obscene

melis (#1,854)

Anyone who claims they would not have a threesome with both Clintons is a goddamn liar.

hockeymom (#143)

@melis Or both Obamas.

laurel (#4,035)

@hockeymom: Or one of each.

Lockheed Ventura (#5,536)

@hockeymom Or both Gingriches. Am I doing this right?

hockeymom (#143)

@laurel Could we also throw in a couple of dead Kennedys? Or is that too greedy/goulish?

hockeymom (#143)

@Lockheed Ventura Which wives? All of 'em Katie!

Lockheed Ventura (#5,536)

@hockeymom Teddy could get his freak on. Especially, if Chris Dodd was also on the prowl.

Lockheed Ventura (#5,536)

@hockeymom Which wives?

Hey, no Mormon jokes.

Lockheed Ventura (#5,536)

Can we discuss Reverend Al's sartorial choices? I mean I loved it, but I like anything bold.

Also, who is scarier: Skinny Al or Skinny Bill? I just want to drag them both to Silvia's and force feed them something fried.

oldtaku (#9,009)

Zzzzz. Certainly not to start with, but I guess you've gotta be part of the base to be fired up by something that drags on that long.

Goto Tengo@facebook (#232,749)

Well, clearly all that incredibly sincere, non-manufactured concern trolling by insightful pundits about the non-vetting of the speech was warranted. Nice going, Bill. You really screwed up big time!

Spencer Lund (#2,331)

Slick Willy still slick.

UncleStu (#232,509)

I'm beginning to suspect there are some political trolls hanging out here. I beg fellow Awlers – do not be drawn into their nonsense. Don't even reply.

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