Thursday, September 30th, 2010

Somehow There Are Opposing Views: How Often Do Americans Get To Kill People and When?

mm hmmI too hope that the Glenn Greenwald-Andrew Sullivan fight goes on forever. Andrew is in this corner: "I do believe we are at war; and that killing those who wish to kill us before they can do so is not the equivalent of 'assassination.'" In the other corner: "Would Andrew be comfortable with a future Republican President–let's say, just to pick a random example… President Sarah Palin–having the power to order American citizens killed based solely on her unchecked accusation that they are somehow involved with or helping Al Qaeda Terrorists, while the targeted citizens have no recourse to any courts and she has no obligation to offer any evidence to justify the targeting?" Meanwhile! "An Internet video showing men in Pakistani military uniforms executing six young men in civilian clothes has heightened concerns about unlawful killings by Pakistani soldiers supported by the United States, American officials said." Never has the milquetoast newspaper phrase "heightened concerns" seemed more inadequate. Anyway, once we let gays in the military, we can carry forward this argument on killing with guns and executions, instead of blog posts! Thereby proving Malcolm Gladwell right-the Internet really is weaker than the sword/M-16.

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Pop Socket (#187)

I've seen this episode of The West Wing. I hate reruns.

Matt (#26)

I feel bad for that black cat. Cat is not to be trifled with.

lawyergay (#220)

Greenwald's got it right, as usual.

Niko Bellic (#1,312)

"I do believe we are at war; and that killing those who wish to kill us before they can do so is not the equivalent of 'assassination.'"

Seriously, Americans. This Serb did not move here just to listen to this same type of shit all over again. I thought that the whole point of the International War Crimes Tribunal was to settle this type of shit once and for all. Although, I did always wonder why is it that the US is the only "democracy" that doesn't recognize it. Why is Glenn Greenwald the only one here saying what the entire rest of the civilized world already learned and accepted? Fucking Serbia included!

dntsqzthchrmn (#2,893)

As Sarah Silverman said, American exceptionalism is magic.

lawyergay (#220)

As Greenwald points out, Andrew Sullivan doesn't "know" anything about this guy Anwar al-Awlaki except that our pharaoh/god-king Obama has deemed him a "terrorist."

We used to have this thing in this country called "due process," which required the government to go through a series of steps, sometimes called a "trial" before a properly convened "court of law," in which it had to present "evidence" and receive a "verdict" in its favor before it could deprive any person of life, liberty or property.

This quaint and hoary requirement can be found in the 5th and 14th Amendments to our founding document.

deepomega (#1,720)

-waves magic wand, makes indigenous populations disappear-

Niko Bellic (#1,312)

We used to have this thing in this country called "due process,"

Borrrrrring. The American people vote with their dollars at the box office and war wins over "due process" every time!

saythatscool (#101)

@Niko: Exactly.

lawyergay (#220)

That's a dark vision of the American polity. And I think, unfortunately, you're right.

dntsqzthchrmn (#2,893)

> citizens killed

Why… that would never happen.

dntsqzthchrmn (#2,893)

Hey, why'd the FT post comments close? I wanted to point out that Lex has weighed in on which Beatle is/was sublimest, and that I've agreed with them since I was five.

Americans have been preemptively killing civilians for decades.

The KFC Double Down is just like a Predator Drone, just slower.

barnhouse (#1,326)

And the CIA also, not just the KFC. Anybody remember Patrice Lumumba?

I do not think these clowns in the government are waiting around to see what Greenwald or Sullivan might think about these questions.

Art Yucko (#1,321)

The Whitebelt: most deadly creeping assassin in the arsenal.

Vulpes (#946)

I just want to see more pictures from "Crouching Kitty, Hidden Pussy."

zidaane (#373)

You have been marked for death.


Well, Cpl. Jeremy Morlock, one of the Afghanistan-sport-murderers, IS from Wasilla, AK.

KarenUhOh (#19)

Yeah, we sure gain traction globally by "targeting" people, some of whom may under theoretical construction "deserve" it.

You go, America.

Niko Bellic (#1,312)

Good thing we have that "electing a black man named Hussein" thing. It's like what having Coke and Levi's was during the cold war.

deepomega (#1,720)

I think it's interesting how Greenwald/Sullivan present a counterpoint to the traditional American left/right axis of political affiliation. They're both totally split along the statist/anti-statist axis, like they're from a bizarro-world political system.

Is "Somehow There Are Opposing Views" a recurring feature? If not, it should be.

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