Another new item from that interview: the supporting actor thinks he has a shot at the lead! Which is why he denied his reality for so long. A delusion fueled an elision.
Well, Jack always dressed so badly, I was really never convinced he was gay. I mean, come on, short-sleaved button down with a white crew neck showing?
It takes a special kind of asshole to play that character for so long and maintain a pathetic see-through closet the entire time. Fuck you Hayes, and your tired pinkface.
My "favorite" part is the "You're welcome, Advocate" because he contributed so much to the gay movement by being on a not-terribly funny show. I know I feel like throwing confetti at him for that. Or at least throwing something.
Also, is it time now for someone to say it's fine he never came out (or went back in, because he WAS out when he was doing indie stuff like Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss) because celebrities owe us nothing, and everyone should stop criticizing Anderson Cooper, and straight people don't announce their sexuality, and anyway some of us aren't "defined by our sexuality" (in other words, we're totally "straight-acting" and not a mincing nancy boy, which makes us better)? Because that's the direction every other thread on this I've seen today has taken.
Oh, and when is Eric McCormack coming out? Because that mincing queen ain't foolin' no one!
Okay, now I've had a chance to read the interview. I had to wait to get home from work b/c The Advocate is blocked there (specifically as an adult site - wtf?).
But now that I have read, I want to discuss something:
I get the "I don't have to tell anyone how I live my life" bit, I really do. But I've had my own experience with someone who is gay but didn't initially (and still has yet to) acknowledge that she is gay. Of course, this is no problem that she is, we are friends regardless. But is it irresponsible to not make that clear at some point? And how long should you know that person before it's irresponsible for them to not recognize it?
I'm saying this because I had feelings for her at the beginning of the friendship and basically made an ass of myself trying to put the moves on a lesbian.
So is it her fault for not telling me she was gay (especially since I'm too dumb to read the initial signs)? Or is it my fault for assuming all women are available to me? Or is it just part of the new world and I need to get used to it?
I need to know how to live in 2010! If nobody answers, I'll probably just bring it up in the next celebrity-is-now-out post.
Speaking as a gay guy who has lead on multiple women in the past by failing to tell them I'm gay, I think she definitely is at fault. That's assuming of course that she realized that you were into her and simply avoided telling you why she would never be able to return that interest. On the other hand, if she isn't at the point of recognizing that she is in fact gay then she has other issues that she needs to work out.
Thanks, Trout. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.
She recognizes that she's gay herself (has a girlfriend and all), but it's not something that either of us have spoken about within our friendship.
I've accepted that she'd never be into me and moved on, I'm just wondering if I'm a dick for thinking that she should've been decent enough to mention it at some point. She's very private and she shouldn't have to declare herself to all people, I just thought we (as friends) were past that.
Ok, to amend my original reply, as long as she was clear to you that she wasnt interested in you in that way, I think it's ok that she didnt explicitly say she was gay. But the fact that she's never brought it up does say something about the closeness of your friendship.
as a lesbo who is not easy to read as such, I have to sympathize with your friend.. I mean, why is it up to her to announce it to you? Solely for the purpose of making clear that she is not available to you? It just seems like you were into someone who wasn't into you. That could happen with straight girls too, for any number of reasons. Do they have to be upfront about not being attracted to you in that way, too? I'm trying to understand your position.. but it's hard not to see it that way. FWIW, I have had some of my own missteps too in the post-whatever social world of today - it sucks but I am not sure it's anyone's "fault."
@Trout True, true, we are not extremely close. I think I just wish we were good enough friends to where I wasn't on that side of the discussion.
@bb Also true. I don't really think it's anyone's fault either. I think I just need to get used to the sexual politics of modern society. It's no one's responsibility to tell me who they are, even though I wish people would be more clear. I'll just have to deal.
BREAKING. 'WILL AND GRACE' ACTOR SEAN HAYES IS GAY.
And also is a hugely petty queen? Do go on!
And is it in reference to Sean Hayes or Drudge's Siren?
Does this make him a sell-out, since he played that character that way for so many years?
No, it just makes him a bad actor.
Or a good one, if he's doing method.
It's always the ones you'd least suspect.
Another new item from that interview: the supporting actor thinks he has a shot at the lead! Which is why he denied his reality for so long. A delusion fueled an elision.
I remember really liking Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss. So, there's that?
That was a completely charming movie.
Well, that's the thing about Billy's Hollywood Scren Kiss; it wasn't explicitly gay, because "Billy" can be a boy or a girl's name.
If this were a real DRUDGE headline, that link would be broken.
Inspired by this, I've decided to let everyone know that I am a white male. And that the sky is blue.
I'm never going to believe you as a black woman now. I hope you know you've ruined the illusion.
The sky IS blue today. It's really delightful.
But you're NOT IRISH!
Wait, which character on Will & Grace was the gay one?
Woody Harrelson
Well, Jack always dressed so badly, I was really never convinced he was gay. I mean, come on, short-sleaved button down with a white crew neck showing?
DENIED. DENIED. DENIED. DENIED. Accepted!
It takes a special kind of asshole to play that character for so long and maintain a pathetic see-through closet the entire time. Fuck you Hayes, and your tired pinkface.
My "favorite" part is the "You're welcome, Advocate" because he contributed so much to the gay movement by being on a not-terribly funny show. I know I feel like throwing confetti at him for that. Or at least throwing something.
Also, is it time now for someone to say it's fine he never came out (or went back in, because he WAS out when he was doing indie stuff like Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss) because celebrities owe us nothing, and everyone should stop criticizing Anderson Cooper, and straight people don't announce their sexuality, and anyway some of us aren't "defined by our sexuality" (in other words, we're totally "straight-acting" and not a mincing nancy boy, which makes us better)? Because that's the direction every other thread on this I've seen today has taken.
Oh, and when is Eric McCormack coming out? Because that mincing queen ain't foolin' no one!
Okay, now I've had a chance to read the interview. I had to wait to get home from work b/c The Advocate is blocked there (specifically as an adult site - wtf?).
But now that I have read, I want to discuss something:
I get the "I don't have to tell anyone how I live my life" bit, I really do. But I've had my own experience with someone who is gay but didn't initially (and still has yet to) acknowledge that she is gay. Of course, this is no problem that she is, we are friends regardless. But is it irresponsible to not make that clear at some point? And how long should you know that person before it's irresponsible for them to not recognize it?
I'm saying this because I had feelings for her at the beginning of the friendship and basically made an ass of myself trying to put the moves on a lesbian.
So is it her fault for not telling me she was gay (especially since I'm too dumb to read the initial signs)? Or is it my fault for assuming all women are available to me? Or is it just part of the new world and I need to get used to it?
I need to know how to live in 2010! If nobody answers, I'll probably just bring it up in the next celebrity-is-now-out post.
Speaking as a gay guy who has lead on multiple women in the past by failing to tell them I'm gay, I think she definitely is at fault. That's assuming of course that she realized that you were into her and simply avoided telling you why she would never be able to return that interest. On the other hand, if she isn't at the point of recognizing that she is in fact gay then she has other issues that she needs to work out.
Thanks, Trout. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.
She recognizes that she's gay herself (has a girlfriend and all), but it's not something that either of us have spoken about within our friendship.
I've accepted that she'd never be into me and moved on, I'm just wondering if I'm a dick for thinking that she should've been decent enough to mention it at some point. She's very private and she shouldn't have to declare herself to all people, I just thought we (as friends) were past that.
Ok, to amend my original reply, as long as she was clear to you that she wasnt interested in you in that way, I think it's ok that she didnt explicitly say she was gay. But the fact that she's never brought it up does say something about the closeness of your friendship.
as a lesbo who is not easy to read as such, I have to sympathize with your friend.. I mean, why is it up to her to announce it to you? Solely for the purpose of making clear that she is not available to you? It just seems like you were into someone who wasn't into you. That could happen with straight girls too, for any number of reasons. Do they have to be upfront about not being attracted to you in that way, too? I'm trying to understand your position.. but it's hard not to see it that way. FWIW, I have had some of my own missteps too in the post-whatever social world of today - it sucks but I am not sure it's anyone's "fault."
@Trout True, true, we are not extremely close. I think I just wish we were good enough friends to where I wasn't on that side of the discussion.
@bb Also true. I don't really think it's anyone's fault either. I think I just need to get used to the sexual politics of modern society. It's no one's responsibility to tell me who they are, even though I wish people would be more clear. I'll just have to deal.
Thanks, both.
Next you're going to tell me that the actor who plays "Scotty" on Brothers & Sisters... oh, I just checked his Wikipedia... never mind.