Tuesday, March 2nd, 2010
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"Law & Order" & Juggalos: So Unhappy Together

SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET IS ANGRYThe NBC workhorse "Law & Order" has a history with the music business, having lightly fictionalized such pop phenomena as Diddy, Kevin Federline, and crappy East Village punk bands during its storied tenure. Last night, inspired by a grisly crime last year that was dubbed "the horrocore murders," the Juggalo subculture finally came under Dick Wolf's microscope.

Last night's episode, "Steel-Eyed Death," was serious business from the beginning, with a victim who had a knife sticking out of his neck getting some screen time within the episode's first two minutes. There were also apparently amnesia claims, shout-outs to post-9/11 PTSD, partner-to-partner confessions, and jokes about Jeremy Sisto's character having to shave off his scruff. (That last part is the saddest part!)

But the Internet is going to know this episode as "the Juggalo episode" because of its foray into the online and offline worlds of horrorcore, a genre with a fanbase that tends to be treated like zoo animals by the type of people who feel that they're above wearing clown makeup as a way of paying tribute to their favorite muscians. (OK, so, the music isn't very good either. But could you imagine the sort of automatic disdain Juggalos receive being placed on, say, Animal Collective fans?)

As anyone who's ever watched even half a rerun of "L&O" might expect, the Juggalo subculture was painted with something of a broad brush. It would seem that they don't get reruns of the show in Australia, though, because the Aussie horrorcorist KidCrusher, whose music was featured on the show, was pretty excited about the exposure for his music, which includes the chestnuts "Killin' Shit" and "A Dirty Fuckin' Murder"! Until he got wind of what actually transpired on NBC last night. "LAW & ORDER SPIT ON JUGGALOS, he said in all-caps on MySpace, continuing:

I am pretty pissed off to hear they based the episode on Juggalos and try to make us all look like criminals and real serial killers (and think we would kill kids?!). They never told me the full details on the episode before I signed the contract for the release of my music video, all they told me was it was going to be based upon a Horrorcore Festival and they needed my music and a video for it. I do not support the fact that people that don't know who we really are, can be quick to say " ITS A FACT "

This just in: Television might be a bit sensational! Also, the whole "Law & Order" "twist" thing is still really important to the NBC promo department.

Meanwhile, the Michigan horrorcore duo Twiztid took to Twitter to express their dismay:

Im super disappointed that the episode of Law & Order yesterday dealing with Horrorcore portrayed US (the Juggalos) in such a bad light… I understand that the show deals with criminal matters but to take our whole musical genre and following and peg us as unstable shit bags with steak knives to little kids necks is taking it WAY toooooo far! That just simply NOT what we (the Family) represent…. and NBC is way out of line for that shit. Very very tacky NBC….. we BOOOOO you and your half hearted half assed 1sided views.

Sure, the Juggalo faithful might be overly sensitive. But those people who are feeling a bit burned by the whole "Tonight Show" fiasco must be giggling a bit at the idea that NBC had even lower depths to plumb when it came to being "tacky"!

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prufrocksspoons (#3,573)

All the sad young literary Juggalos.

AL (#890)

I'm not sure what KidCrusher's on about, as his name clearly states that he crushes kids.

La Cieca (#1,110)

No, no. He doesn't crush kids. He crushes on kids. Oh, wait…

cherrispryte (#444)

Nah, this wasn't an SVU episode.

johnpseudonym (#1,452)

As the assistant organizer of Illinois Juggalos on meetup.com, I was sorely disappointed by that episode and can assure you that none of our members have tried to kill me. Yet.

KarenUhOh (#19)

Jeez. Some people. It's fiction.

How can it be fiction? It's "ripped from the headlines"!

but to take our whole musical genre and following and peg us as unstable shit bags with steak knives to little kids necks is taking it WAY toooooo far!

Fair point. NBC should have simply stopped at "unstable shit bags."

Moff (#28)

Indeed. According to no less a source than the Insane Clown Posse's own "What Is a Juggalo," "People like [a Juggalo] till / They find out he's unstable."

Also: "He just don't care," "He could give a fuck less / What a bitch thinks," he's "a fucking lunatic / Somebody with a rope tied to his dick / Then he jumps out a ten-story window," and "He powerbombs motherfuckers into thumbtacks," among other things. I guess they cut the verse that said, "He's a delicate flower whose feelings can be hurt by Sam Waterston."

JaguarPaw (#312)

See, the issue here is a question of "art". Perhaps the em, "Juggalos" see such….lyrics as artistic hyperbolic expression, whereas they are prejudiced against Mr. Wolf, the L&O Artist because he ain't down with the dick-rope-tying powerbombing motherfuckers in red noses.

toadvine (#1,698)

If there were any justice in the world Animal Collective and Ghostland Observatory fans would receive WORSE treatment than Juggalos.

bassknives (#2,903)

Other than pot possession and loitering, what crime could they possibly commit?

They totally jacked my mantra. WHILE I WAS STILL USING IT!

barnhouse (#1,326)

They should have had another "twist" where it turns out that the Juggalo Leader is compassionate, smart and loves his mom etc. under his horror-clown exterior!

I'm stuck on the Juggalos care about people's perceptions of them part.

Um, what Moff said!

Moff (#28)

Seriously, though. I don't remember the musical badasses of yesteryear-or even fucking Marilyn Manson-ever whining because people were too scared of them. Chalk up another depressing victory for the self-esteem movement.

shostakobitch (#1,692)

Whatever dude as long as this shit keeps the haterz away from The Gathering, my ninja.

City_Dater (#2,500)

Being called "tacky" by a teen in John Wayne Gacy makeup: probably not high on a list of NBC executive worries.

City_Dater (#2,500)

And this episode was HILARIOUS, by the way.

DoctorDisaster (#1,970)

As as often the case, my opinion can be summarized in the form of an Onion article. http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29421

Fifi (#1,639)

You just don't know true fear until you see a juggalo buying a gun at the gunshow.

JuggaloArmy (#3,823)

OK check it out all right… 1. I am a MOTHER FUCKING JUGGALO MMFCL to all my homies out there

2nd I am a Spc. in the US Army. I have served in Iraq and completed plenty of state side mission putting out forest fires and such other disasters in the Philly/New York area.

3rd I am a fan of L&O SVU L&O CI and L&O. But even that show disgusted me. There have been people who call themselves Juggalos commit crimes but there have also been rich born with a silver spoon in there mouth kids commit the same crimes. So for NBC to make a general statement about a group of people is the same as saying all mexicans mow lawns all black people are on welfare all native americans own/work casinos and the stereotypes go on and on and on.

People being a juggalo is all about family and knowing no matter where you go in this world you can always find someone who will have you back through anything. I have traveld the US and been to Iraq and Kuwait and yes I have found juggalos there.

Pretty much every second L&O episode is about a rich kid who kills their sister over an inheritance. And then lies about it on a Louis XIV settee.

And I should say, if they complained they would be mocked all the more so.

Yeah for real. If anything I'm glad that L&O is expanding its base of criminals, because it got way too into the "Rich People Things" mire during the unfortunate Rohm/Thompson ears.

years, I mean.

DoctorDisaster (#1,970)

That mire in your ears really is unfortunate.

As a fan of L&O and a juggalo, I really didn't care about their presentation of the horrorcore scene. I cared more about how the episode started out strong but burned out on a random tangent. Although Sisto's monologue was well delivered in the second half, it seemed kind of rushed.

JuggaloJay (#3,831)

My name is Jay and I'm a Juggalo. I've never been arrested, Im not insane, I don't kill people, I served 10 years in the military, I was in Afghanistan, I have friends and family that I love…just like you. I really don't know what to say here. Half of me is upset that Juggalos are portrayed as though we're all axe murders and psychopaths, but on the other hand it doesn't surprise me. Through the years people have always had a lot to say about things they really know nothing about. Juggalos are like a family. They listen to crazy music that deals with crazy stuff that some don't understand, but then again so did people who listened to the Beatles. Some juggalos paint their face, but then again so did the "KISS army".

Yes, some of the music isn't what most people would listen to. It's Horror music. Just like there are people out there that are horror movie buffs, juggalos are fans of horror music. This is nothing new, anyone remember Alice Cooper? Black Sabbath??

What you people don't know about juggalos is that they're black, white, native americans, germans, hawaiians and every nationality you can think of. I was walking around in Berlin and saw a Juggalo who came up to me to talk. I was in walmart the other day and got help from a very nice 50 year old lady that was a juggalo. Hell my high school english teacher was a juggalo!

But in the end it will never change and people will always find something negative to say about something they don't understand.

Jazz musicians ( they're corrupting the minds of young impressionable white kids, folks)
Elvis (those shaking hips got him banned from Ed Sullivan)
The Beatles (the one with the weird hair said they were bigger than Jesus!)
Kiss (He spits blood AND fire!!)
Ozzy (he bit the head off a BAT!)
Eminem (he's killing his wife on a song)
Marylin Manson (he's responsible for columbine!)

Do you see a pattern here??

Yes, some of the music isn't what most people would listen to. It's Horror music. Just like there are people out there that are horror movie buffs, juggalos are fans of horror music.

What you people don't know about juggalos is that they're black, white, native americans, germans, hawaiians and every nationality you can think of. I was walking around in berlin and saw juggalos. I was in walmart the other day and got help from a very nice old lady that was a juggalo. Hell my high school english teacher was a juggalo!

but in the end it will never change and people will always find someone to blame for the ills of the few
Jazz musicians
Elvis (those shaking hips got him banned from ed sullivan)
The Beatles
Kiss
Eminem
Marylin Manson

sixlocal (#296)

Hi, my commenter username on this website is sixlocal, and I am not in the military, and am wondering why the Juggalos showing up everywhere all introduce themselves like this.

sixlocal (#296)

Who, who knew that ALL JUGGALOS ARE CRIMINALS, like how LAW+ORDER SAID THEY WERE.

Amanda Kostka (#3,842)

you guys know nothing of twiztid kid crusher or any one who listens to this music twiztid speaks to the people who no one else will accept. you people who look at what normal is are blind to what freaks you created you look down upon anyone whos different learn your fact before you go and judge any of us juggalos.we do not kill people.one sided views likle madrox and monoxide said. i didnt watch that episod but if part of the creators of the juggalos boo you then you guys screwed up and made us look like real ass holes juggalos are the nicest ppl you will ever meet if we didnt wear the cloths we do or paint our faces n we looked "normal" you would take the time of day to actualy realize we are amazing people with good morals.

Amanda Kostka (#3,842)

get to know our storie before you judge any of us facts facts facts you look past it if you dont liek the music your choice go listen to your main stream music jam out to hanna montana for all i care we dont go talking down to your music. we let you guys wear what you want even if we think its a shitty choice we dont care you do your thing we do ours. we can actualy go out to a show and kinda get to know our favorite artist on a almost personal level which any other kind of music you cannot do that with.we dont have to deal with media n paperazi at shows no we go we have a good time just like any one else would have we are just like you yet you no matter what will look down on us and thats perfectly fine just dont go callin us all trouble you cannot label thousnads of people under one type of person.

Amanda Kostka (#3,842)

n fucking leave twiztid alone let them state their own opinion about their personal feelings on their twitter you guys can air something offensive to a large group of people on national tv or w/e but they cannot state something on a twitter come on now grow the fuck up i think tvs opinion wins and now everyones going to think we are all shit bags thanks way to go. last twiztid concert i sat down n had a long conversation with a kid going to a monster truck show because i know parents look at us and think we are "freaks" and ya know what the parent actualy laughed n thanked me for showing his kidd that people who are different arnt scary try thqat on for size i didnt go stabbing the kid in the neck or something now when a parent sees me they are going to hide their children n call th cops on me i dnt need that shit personaly

sixlocal (#296)

You stabbed me in the brain because of your lack of punctuation, criminal.

I say.. eff em lol.. Let us 'Los and 'Lettes be viewed however, it doesn't change our love for each other or the music. A couple of incomparable douchebags that called themselves Juggalos killed a kid, yeah so? Think of it this way Fam. L&O portrayed JUFFAHOES. Let it be how it will be, let them see us how they will because in the end just like Tech says JUGGALOS ARE THE BIGGEST GANG I HAVE EVER SEEN.. We don't die after all, right? Fuck em.. I know ya'll, we know each other.. WE ARE FAM!

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