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Friday, February 26, 2010

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A Recent History of Ironic Exclamations for Chuck Klosterman

ARTIST'S DEPICTIONChuck Klosterman's last book, from October, has an attack on the use of the exclamation point as a marker of irony. It's making the rounds today online, since someone is reading it. Klosterman's opinion: It's "idiotic. It's the saddest kind of failure." Klosterman is talking overall about the rhetorical practices of feigned ignorance, distancing in general and also about the most convenient punctuation markers to make things clear to the reader-though he believes these markers make things ever more unclear. At least, he approvingly quotes Fitzgerald as against exclamation points. Let's look at some recent history!

(That was an exclamation point of excitement, not a marker of irony tinged with anger, as so much of exclamation-point related irony actually is. I did not at all mean the opposite of what I was writing! I was encouraging you to look at some history with me.)

Mark Nanos's The Irony of Galatians: Paul's Letter in First-Century Context, published in 2002, suggests that an inability (or unwillingness) to read the irony in Galatians had some ill effects, up to and including the Holocaust. But to any modern reader, the irony in Galatians seems extremely well-indicated.

This passage discusses Galatians 1:6. The 21st Century King James Version of Galatians 1:6-9 goes:

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him, that called you into the grace of Christ, for another gospel.

For this is not another; but there are some who trouble you and would pervert the Gospel of Christ.

But should we, or an angel from Heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

As we said before, so say I now again: If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that which ye have received, let him be accursed!

On this topic, Nanos has this to say.

PAUL

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Uncle Billy Slumming

Γάμα τον.

Eddie
Eddie (#3,743)

uh, as a divinity school student, the awl feels really homey to me lately.

sailor
sailor (#396)

Missing the more subtle irony of this post, but I stick to Elmore Leonard's rule of no more than two or three per 100,000 words.

wiilliiaamm
wiilliiaamm (#225)

I stopped using exclamation points around the same time I stopped putting little hearts over my "i's" -- I would call it around 6th grade.

I was then awash in contempt and irony and I have lived that way ever since. I live alone today.

ContainsHotLiquid

Discussions are irony are always so serious. Thank you, Choire, for avoiding this!

belltolls
belltolls (#184)

Well, Paul certainly didn't anticipate he would have his head chopped off by Nero! Or, did he?!

gumplr
gumplr (#66)

The New Testament is also sadly lacking in the emoticon department. +<:(

ytorf
ytorf (#1,684)

Sad pope face! He is sad because irony is a sin.

flossy
flossy (#1,402)

Chuck Klosterman unironically admires Billy Fucking Joel. Case closed.

janine
janine (#248)

Thank you! One of the thinks i will never understand about the kids is why they ever listen to this half illiterate yeti. And Fitzgerald? Fitzgerald is a great writer and all, but quoting him only shows me that Chuck finished 10th grade. In other words, Klosterman's writing is not my thing.

KarenUhOh
KarenUhOh (#19)

My colon is lonely.

dippinkind
dippinkind (#3,673)

Paul may have been employing irony in Galations, but not with an exclamation point (since they didn't exist for another 1400 years or so... i'm guessing he probably used ALL CAPS)

p is for pee
p is for pee (#900)

Choire, you are so awesome.

BadUncle
BadUncle (#153)

I! Love! Exclamation! Points!

spanish bombs
spanish bombs (#562)

This was kind of a confusing choice of Bible verse, since it also has an exclamation point. Couldn't you have picked one of Paul's other verses in which he ironically feigned ignorance without then going on to genuinely use an exclamation point? Sheesh!

redfox
redfox (#3,057)

"the saddest kind of failure"

Yes, just as the use of profanity is a sign of a limited vocabulary and stunted mind. Stuff a sock in it, Chuck Klosterman.

Setec Astrology

Does Klosterman have any thoughts on the use of question marks?

lost_in_transubstantiation

Or interrobangs?! (sadly, couldn't figure out how to insert one)

Art Yucko
Art Yucko (#1,321)

Chuck Klosterman and Andrew W.K., in a cage match to the death. (!!!!!)

http://www.viceland.com/int/v10n1/htdocs/letters/014.php

brent_cox
brent_cox (#40)

IIRC, the vast majority of Choire's exclamation points are not ironic/angry at all. They're excitable.

rula
rula (#3,558)

But those stupid glasses he wears are ok?

lempha
lempha (#581)

If another straight dude tells me how to punctuate today, I am going to go insane.

bong hitler
bong hitler (#3,233)

The phrase "let him be accursed!" has a nice ring to it. People need to use that more.

Sakurambobomb
Sakurambobomb (#1,722)

I am sorry, but I am dumb, and the quote from Paul sounds nothing like irony to me - it seems to me all he is saying is "don't listen to gospels other than mine because they are false and those telling them to you should be accursed." I fail to see the irony in this! Is it ironic perhaps because Paul is suggesting that his gospel may be just as much crap as another? This does not sound very much like an early christian church founder's thing to do.

Unfortunately, I am an American, and apparently it is next to impossible for an American to detect irony. We can only hear sarcasm.

My Number Is My Address

What kind of world does he live in that he's worried about this kind of shit? I spend a lot of time reading blogs and stupid shit on the internet and I have never even bothered to notice this. People just gotta get their own shit in order and leave the rest to god and the jackals. Fuck.

My Number Is My Address

Sorry, not actually meant as a reply specifically to you, Sak, just the mechanics of "reply."

Scum
Scum (#1,847)

/\ is a punctuation mark I invented. It means that what has just been said is both riveting and deeply emotionally affecting. It has made writing so much easier.

29jobs
29jobs (#3,805)

haven't read chuck's latest yet. but it's kind of weird that twice in one week awl has blasted two authors i used on my book jacket to help describe my work.

nice.

~jenn
@revolucion0

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