Talking 'Nude Girls' With Sheila McClear

In The Last of the Live Nude Girls, Sheila McClear describes moving to New York City where, adrift and low on cash, she eventually finds work as a stripper in the peep shows. The book, published this month by Soft Skull Press, has been called “eye-opening, gritty and compelling” and “beautiful.” She’ll be reading at McNally Jackson on Tuesday, August 16.

Matthew Gallaway: I noticed you posted a photograph on your Tumblr of an XXX store in Times Square. Does that mean they’re coming back?

Sheila McClear: I don’t think they’re coming back, just going extinct. I don’t even know of any in the outer boroughs, actually, except one way out on Long Island. And there’s one in Atlantic City.

Why was Times Square a center for the peeps in the old days?

As far as the business of live girls, the buildings in the 70s and 80s that housed the peeps were mostly place-holders, because porn shops were willing to pay two to three times the rent. The owners were waiting for things to turn around so that the developers could demolish them and make real money. The live girl racket was just a small pawn in the redevelopment game. The peepshow was really just a odd little hustle — a weird loophole in the vice laws.

In the book, you have some very pessimistic views along the lines of how “things never really change.” Did working as a peep-show girl change the way you think about how things operate in NYC now?

Part of the reason I chose the peeps was that it was such an extreme experience. I don’t, of course, confuse people out in the rest of the world with those who came into the peepshows. In the beginning of my time there, I felt very nihilistic, and the peepshow was a good place to be because someone over the course of the night would back up your worldview again and again. I don’t have such a dire outlook on life anymore. It’s tempered by experience.

In your dialogue and the physical descriptions of both people and where you worked, you captured a ton of detail. Were you keeping a journal at the time, or do you just have an incredible memory?

I started keeping a journal about four months in after I resigned myself to the fact that I was going to be working there for a while. I also have an incredible memory when it comes to dialogue: not braggin’, just sayin’. Seriously, certain things burned themselves into my brain and made themselves impossible to forget!

Are you still in touch with any of the other women in the book?

I’m in touch with Ruby, but I don’t know if she’s read it, and I keep trying to figure out how to let her know she’s in it. Actually, I should contact her, like, now, and get it over with. I should have dealt with that a long time ago, but I guess I’m worried she wouldn’t want to be friends with me anymore or would be mad that I wrote about her. People don’t always like being written about! Although I wrote about her with so much affection.

Ruby was heartbreaking. You have a line about how “her melancholy came from a different place” than yours; can you elaborate on that a bit?

Well, the line in the book referred to something traumatic that happened to her as a child. So while we were both depressives, she had an entirely different background than mine. I felt that I did not have such a solid reason to be so despondent during that time, other than maybe an existential crisis.

You went into the peeps on what you felt would be a temporary basis and remarkably enough managed to get out. Do you think your experience is typical or more of an exception to the rule?

No one thinks it’s going to be permanent! Yet, you always stay way longer than you mean to. The nude-girl industry is like “Hotel California,” which by the way: all strippers hate that song. I would hope my experience is more typical, yet many of the women I worked with had been there so much longer. Five, six, ten years. So it’s hard to say. One thing I wanted to mention, though, is that for me, even though I got out, it wasn’t some “I’m going do something crazy for a year and write about it” experience. That wasn’t why I worked in the peep shows, for the record.

Let’s talk a little bit about the men. I felt like you alternated between hating them and having a sense of compassion for them, speaking very generally. True or false?

True. I had compassion for some of them — the ones who seemed damaged, who seemed to be there because somewhere along the line, thing had just gone wrong for them. I hated the ones who were rude and generally treated us like chattel. So I was often hating and feeling sorry for different customers, not the same guy. Pet peeves were the ones who would make rude comments about our bodies, which, fuck those guys. Or the ones who thought they could bribe us for sex. But there were plenty of polite, nondescript, forgettable guys as well, who just… took in a show and then went home.

Despite working as a stripper, you seemed to maintain a well-drawn line that you never crossed, in terms of what men could do, or getting into dangerous situations, which I’m guessing is not something everyone can say.

Right. Probably because I was so conflicted about being there in the first place. If you’re that conflicted, it’s important to have rules, even arbitrary ones.

Yet you seemed to feel and convey a real descent into very dangerous emotional waters — I made a note at some point about how “crazy becomes normal.”

Yes. And it’s not like there was anyone looking out for me. I was alone, I had few friends, no one knew what I did, which was a recipe for crazy right there. Plus, I had to be more careful, because having that sort of double-life had the potential to be dangerous. For me, it was all about self-policing, which was probably why I never did drugs, except alcohol, during that time. Adding drugs to the mix would have been like a science experiment gone wrong.

Do you have any regrets about “coming out” about the experience?

I don’t regret doing it, but of course it’s irritating that some people will judge. I mean, I will say that I’ll never write nonfiction about my life again. It’s all fiction from here on out. That said, it’s a pretty good shit-test: If someone can’t handle that information — especially when I’ve already processed it fairly thoughtfully in a book — perhaps that person isn’t really worth my time anyway. But for those who will never read it and may just pass judgment, I don’t worry too much about them.

Do you think your story is in any instructional to say, a 22 year old who wants to come to NYC and follow in your footsteps, by, say, stripping to pay the bills while working on his/her writing chops?

I wouldn’t say it’s a instructional, because so many things could go wrong if you were to go my route! And I went the route not purely for financial reasons, but a whole tangled web of personal/sexual/Freudian/whatever reasons as well. I’d say more like, “Don’t be afraid to do something unconventional or weird” to get your footing in the city. I probably wouldn’t recommend it, although I wouldn’t actively dissuade someone from doing it — maybe she, too, is doing it because she’s searching for something she needs to learn.

Matthew Gallaway likes ferns and moss.

And The Next Irritant Is...

“Like bed bugs, they do not transmit disease and are not poisonous. They do however bite you, eat your plants and vegetables and emit an appalling stench when they are squeezed that resembles decaying garbage. They are also almost impossible to get rid of and have wings which means they fly off when you try to catch them.”
— Stink bugs are back. They sound unpleasant.

Play "David Cameron Gets Shirty: The Videogame"

“Text-based adventure games are often perceived as a pixelated debacle of trolls, orcs and wizards, testing the patience of the player as they travel down a road stolen from Tolkein’s imagination. However, a little known independent video games developer named Mark Richards, has reinvented the turn based genre by adding the raucous ruling of politics into the mix. He has reconstructed the parliamentary roleplaying that is the Prime Minister’s Questions, into a homemade pixelated game.
— Somebody go try this out and let me know how it is.

Webb Pierce, "There Stands The Glass"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKuTeDUPljQ

Honky tonk legend Webb Piece would have turned 90 today. In celebration of his legacy let’s take a moment to listen to one of his greatest songs, which also happens to be one of the most accurate and resonant bendy elbows anthem in the genre. Tonight I’ll be drinking to you, Webb.

Should You Panic?

Is it finally going to happen?

Photo: melancholija

Should you panic? The experts say no, but the experts don’t understand just how close you’ve been cutting it lately, how you’ve been keeping so many balls in the air without even considering how you’re going to get away with it should any of them drop, how you spend your evenings drinking yourself into a stupor because it’s the only thing that will silence that insistent, nagging voice in your head that tells you it’s all going to come crashing down and in spite of the promise you once showed and the seemingly bright future ahead of you and the way you’ve always managed to pull through in the past, the world doesn’t work that way anymore: It’s now a cold and uncaring place where even those with the best intentions will avoid you out of fear that whatever bad luck you’ve accumulated is somehow catching, and those with the best intentions are few and far between; in reality, you’re mostly surrounded by people with bad intentions, people who draw joy from your failure and are just waiting for any sign of weakness to pounce so that they can better their own positions at your expense. Your last good day was a while back, and what’s worse is you didn’t know it then; you weren’t able to properly appreciate just how fortunate you were. But you’re going to appreciate it now, because the future is so bleak and full of fear that even the most mundane moments of your past will seem like some magical idyll. So should you panic? It’s your call, but I am sorry to say that it’s not going to make much of a difference either way.

Mike Albo Serves Up a Deliciously Chilly Revenge

Today comes The Junket: A Journey of Seduction, Celebrity, Swag and Stupidity, by one Mr. Mike Albo. You may not remember, but Albo was essentially banned from the New York Times — he was a freelancer who, among other duties, wrote the Critical Shopper column every other week — after participating in a JetBlue junket (with a Mystery Destination!) with a lot of “internet people.” (We documented this junket in harrowing detail.) And now… Albo has told all. It’s good. Here are two favorite early bits!

If you haven’t been to Manhattan in the last ten years, you should know that it no longer trades in durable, fungible goods except for artisanal cheese and celebrity cupcakes. These days, the city is a marketplace of intangible ideas and the internet efforts that promulgate them. Now people make millions by crowd-sourcing, aggregating and hedging funds.

Mmm hmm. And!

There were a handful of older Mystery guests (guys my age who were making lots of money and owned branding firms and were here on a folly), but most every Mystery guest was much younger than me: twenty-five-year-olds just starting out on the fresh, leafy pathway of their career aspirations. A lot of them worked at sites that had names I pretended to know. A short, tense girl who worked at some place called BuzzWarp seemed to be very important to everyone. A tall, gaunt, definitely-gay guy worked at Triceratops and announced it to me confidently. Some girl named Starlie had a blog about travel called GirlTrip that has, she boasted at the buffet dinner, a million subscribers. They were younger and making respectable incomes and all talked using hip-hop terms and references to 90s TV shows they watched in their adolescence barely ten years ago.

This Kindle single, it is worth it.

When Not To Smoke

“People who smoke within the first half hour of waking up are 79 percent more likely to have lung cancer than people who wait at least an hour after waking up to smoke, according to new research published in the journal Cancer. People who smoke first thing after waking up also have a 59 percent higher risk of head and neck cancers, compared to people who wait a bit before smoking, according to the research. And researchers also found that the chances of developing cancer based on the time of the day of the first smoke were independent of other smoking habits.”
— A study has found that if you wait 31 minutes after waking up to smoke you will never get cancer. Or at least that’s how I’m interpreting it.

Photo by Ronald Peret

Things To Know About Lightning

1. If you leave an umbrella outside during a storm, it is probably best to let it remain there.
2. If you do go out to get it, try not to get hit by lightning.
3. If you are hit by lightning, try to be near a stainless steel sink.
4. Getting hit by lightning feels like having a hangover.

Previously: “Why Do You Keep Getting Hit By Lightning?”

Photo by Nathan Vaughn

Hot Now In Crime: Rhino Horn Theft

“It is a new crime phenomenon targeting people who may not have ordinarily been victims of crime and who are vulnerable victims. And we are not dealing with petty criminals.”
— Patric Byrne, of the European Union’s law enforcement agency, discusses the recent rash of rhino horns being stolen from museums.

An Enlightened Look At The Grouponomenon

Jon Methven is the author of This Is Your Captain Speaking, due out in 2012 by Simon & Schuster. He can be reached here, or follow him on Twitter @jonmethven.