On From the Comments: Mansplaining the Currency of Outrage
Nuance does tend to satisfy everyone. Or so I've learned in the last 24 hours!
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On From the Comments: Mansplaining the Currency of Outrage
Basically I think we can all agree that sometimes writers of all kinds are not properly responsible about what they put out there. Jezebel/Gawker/everybody else, being a part of the world we live in, occasionally have this problem, and it can be magnified by editorial direction, though in this case I blame, as in all things, Mr. Denton, rather than people like Anna Holmes, or any of the writers at Jezebel or Broadsheet or anywhere else. But then I don't think that Denton much cares about journalistic responsibility. Maybe that's okay.
In any event making it a girl thing is, in my humble opinion, kinda hogwash.
Also, I kind of think that sometimes, it might be okay for there to be spaces where men's voices are not automatically met with women's curtsies. Could it be that sometimes women just disagree with you because they find you incorrect on principle/ill-informed on substance? This is a crazy idea of mine, I know.
Also, it is my newly-formed opinion that commenters are worthless. (That's a joke. Or an attempt at one. Feminists aren't good at that shit, as we know.)
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On Someone Got 'The Daily Show' in My Jezebel and Together They Taste A Little Weird
I'm in a rush, so happy with trigger finger, to finish second sentence: "why I still think some of the criticism of the Daily Show holds water and isn't Just Jealousy being stoke for pageviews or whatever."
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On Someone Got 'The Daily Show' in My Jezebel and Together They Taste A Little Weird
In brief, I don't really disagree with most of this. However, what I was writing about here was not whether Jezebel is the platonic ideal of a feminist website. What I was writing about was why I
I mean, most of what you say can be safely said of Gawker, and even, Choire don't hurt me, maybe the Awl. I think the major maneuver I disagree with here is saying that drumming up so-called "feminine outrage" is any worse than what's going on generally in the media re pageviews. The major (though I'm not saying only) reason people seem to care more in this instance is the sort of quasi-feminist status Jezebel claims?
Also, hiiiii. (Too insidery, but I went to high school with this guy.)
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On Someone Got 'The Daily Show' in My Jezebel and Together They Taste A Little Weird
you claw at the people who are closest to you. Which I'd agree isn't great politics.
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On Someone Got 'The Daily Show' in My Jezebel and Together They Taste A Little Weird
Du, I don't think anyone's saying that this is the Most Pressing Diversity Issue Of Our Time. I'm not, anyway.
No one is saying that the rest of the world is a level playing field, either. I don't speak for the Jezebel editors or for Irin Carmon, but I doubt they think that either. I think that sometimes, if what you want is equality,
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On Someone Got 'The Daily Show' in My Jezebel and Together They Taste A Little Weird
By all means, don't lie to anyone, least of all yourself! But if anyone's feeding it to the Internet Hysteria Machine, it isn't me. I'm having a grown-up conversation about what might be wrong here.
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On Someone Got 'The Daily Show' in My Jezebel and Together They Taste A Little Weird
Touchy, touchy. Why, that's almost some oversensitivity you're showing there!
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On Someone Got 'The Daily Show' in My Jezebel and Together They Taste A Little Weird
Again, I think in fact there are a lot of different things going on in the Jez comments section on any given day, and I could cherry pick out some comments that would say that all of the women abhor bodysnarking. That wouldn't be any more plausible to you, I imagine, but again, my issue with Emily and with everyone who makes these blanket statements is that they're selecting evidence. Sure, some bitchery is going on, but it's not the only thing that's going on.
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On From the Comments: Mansplaining the Currency of Outrage
I think that you've more or less nailed the problem, sbma44. This is why I said to some other commenter yesterday that I don't tend to go for blunt "this is sexist" language, at least when I know the people reading are dudes, because much like white people are, above all, afraid of being called racists, men who are not total neanderthals are afraid of being called sexists. Which means that quite a bit of structure sits around and keeps working against women, or against people of colour, often both, because the men involved are more concerned about what they're being called than what's actually going on. Which is basically precisely what Jon did here. I mean, hard to parse four or five words, but he did sort of seem wounded that anyone would think he was a sexist prick.
I actually, true story, was on an elliptical next to him once, and I would agree he seemed quite charming! (Also he did a funny walk up to it that I will never forget.) He seemed like he would be fun to talk to and he wasn't yelling at all the women in sight. That still doesn't mean that anything he does can't, however accidentally, reinforce certain exclusionary structures.