On President Endorses States' Rights
@Multiphasic Maybe more could have been done. What I can't figure out is that we know for a fact that 30-odd states have put these stupid amendments in place and it is a split 50-50 down the middle proposition no matter what. Why are there not more strategies by the grassroots to stop these things? In California, Black people were blamed unfairly for this passing by gays and their allies so in NC the NAACP was way out in front against this. We cannot stop the idiots from voting the way their pastor demands them to. So now the President has come out and said he was for something that he knows will be used against him and will hurt far more than help. And 6% would have not have turned this to our favor. I feel you, I really do. Dammit this is all so frustrating and heartbreaking.
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On President Endorses States' Rights
@Multiphasic Yep, I am positive that the constitutional amendment would have been defeated last night if only BARRY! had said this yesterday. After all, it only passed by a squeaker of 61-39. Good God man/woman. It passed the same way all of these other bigoted bullshit things do. When you put a vote on human rights to the people, they always do the wrong thing. That is why every single positive thing that has happened in this country regarding rights has been settled by the courts or legislative action.
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On Obama Still Hates Gay Marriage, No Matter What You Want to Think
@jfruh I know you are not saying that! We are on the same page, I think. I was saying us as liberal Democrats who want the best for all citizens in this country. I just am tired of the Progressive poutrage. I too like history and, oh boy, what a complicated time that was back then, huh? See, I think Obama has to be like Jackie Robinson when all of those racist teammates, opposing players, and fans just hated him. He couldn't be all like, "It is on MOTHERFUCKERS!" He had to take it. Otherwise he would have been the first and last Black baseball player for...ever? That is the way it is for Obama just as it is for all Black people. That is great (for history) in a lot of ways as he is so cool under pressure but it is so, so unfair that a bar that one must leap over is considered just the way it is.
I never knew about the "Klanbake". Thanks for that. I want one.
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On Obama Still Hates Gay Marriage, No Matter What You Want to Think
@Bittersweet What? Am I an idiot because you are being sarcastic? Or is it just you that doesn't get sarcasm?
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On Obama Still Hates Gay Marriage, No Matter What You Want to Think
@jfruh Sorry, I misread your comment on the post reconstruction part. I also know you are a liberal. Again though, my point is when the field was level, Blacks usually went democratic during the time of FDR in terms of presidential voting. It also took 30 more years before any meaningful civil rights legislation passed, which then caused most of the Red state, Blue state issues in this country. I also believe I am aware of when the party shifts started to occur as a result of the Solid South and civil rights. I am Black and I have HUGE problems with Obama and the party. But what are we to do? Dems aren't trying to make it harder for me and mine to vote. They are not trying to deport my Latina immigrant wife. They are also not introducing bills in state legislatures banning civil unions for gay people, either. So we either vote what we know is just and fight like hell to change the status quo, or we sit out like sulking toddlers and let the country go to hell. I know what I want.
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On Obama Still Hates Gay Marriage, No Matter What You Want to Think
@riggssm Probably when he gets overwhelming democratic majorities in both houses. You know, like FDR having over 70% of congress. But it is just that Obummmer is an effete DINO.
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On Obama Still Hates Gay Marriage, No Matter What You Want to Think
@jfruh Actually, the first Black state legislator came from that beacon of freedom, Mississippi, during Reconstruction.
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On Obama Still Hates Gay Marriage, No Matter What You Want to Think
@jfruh From 1930 to 1960 Blacks never voted below 60 percent for democrats. After 1964 it never fell below 80 percent. While it is true that most Blacks did vote republican before FDR, in 1936 Blacks became an important partner in New Deal legislation even while getting very little in return. So, no voting for their racist congressmen, but (when they were allowed to vote) overwhelming (71%) support for FDR at that time. Edit: I see bluebears already got there.
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On Obama Still Hates Gay Marriage, No Matter What You Want to Think
Didn't FDR totally fuck over Black people in order to get the votes from the racist southern congressmen for the New Deal in the 30's? I wonder how many of them (Blacks, not racist southerners) sat out the vote in a pissy huff after that? Can't be politics in play here, nope. It must be that Obama just hates the gays (even though he has done more than any past president combined for them). I am sure President Rmoney will make everything immediately better for gay people, he has shown such incredible backbone so far, after all.
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On Mitt Romney: No Nixon
@Ham Snadwich and boysplz Ha! I bow to your knowledge of right wing shibboleths. Oh wait...