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On Paul Ryan WineGate Shows He Has a Hard Time with Basic Math

@jackannapolis The question wasn't one of dining. You stated that the Tea Party leader (that would be Ryan) blew $500 on the meal. THAT is a fabrication, which needed correcting. I had no quibble with the dining. I take issue with you making up a figure out of thin air, and claiming Ryan paid it.

As a lifelong independent with no dog in this fight -- other than the truth -- I take issue with you claiming the Tea Party has only two faces a) elite pay masters and 2) poor stupid f--ks who believe them. You can't be that narrow-minded, can you? That would be like saying only arrogant self-important, lying politicians sit down to dinner and accept a single glass of wine in a nice restaurant. You do see where your "logic" has headed, don't you.

I also take issue with you making personal attacks on me merely because I took the trouble to try and narrow this down to FACTS, and not fabrications.

Again, I ask you. What did Mr. Ryan do that was wrong?

Posted on July 12, 2011 at 12:25 pm 0

On Paul Ryan WineGate Shows He Has a Hard Time with Basic Math

@Lemonnier I managed to check your numbers at the following site:
http://ethics.house.gov///Subjects/Topics.aspx?Section=25#giftstopicpersonalfriendship
It says the limit for gifts from friends is $250, not $100. Where did you get your $100 figure?

Posted on July 12, 2011 at 1:39 am 0

On Paul Ryan WineGate Shows He Has a Hard Time with Basic Math

@Lemonnier Unless you can verify the cost of his meal -- and the cost of ONE GLASS of wine, we don't know that the "gift" exceeded $100.

And he might have been paying for his own meal, anyway, and then decided to pay for the vastly overpriced (to him, and I assume you and I) bottle of wine.

Also, (pardon my ignorance) please tell me where a rule says he cannot accept gifts over $100 from FRIENDS. Lobbyists, I can understand. FRIENDS, I don't see the point.

Posted on July 11, 2011 at 11:23 pm 0

On Paul Ryan WineGate Shows He Has a Hard Time with Basic Math

@caw_caw Thanks for your polite obtuseness. You seem to be assuming a lot. The story says Ryan had a meal and agreed to one glass of wine out of the bottle purchased BY HIS FRIENDS. Please demonstrate anything indicating that Mr. Ryan looked at the wine list -- which is normally SEPARATE from the meal menu. He didn't buy the wine. He had no reason to check the price. He politely accepted a glass. Kindly accept the facts without making accusations about me based on nothing. (If one of us has shown an inability to read, it's not me.)

Posted on July 11, 2011 at 9:02 pm 0

On Paul Ryan WineGate Shows He Has a Hard Time with Basic Math

@Bittersweet My mistake. I thought Congressmen were still making around $145,000.

Posted on July 11, 2011 at 8:58 pm 0

On Paul Ryan WineGate Shows He Has a Hard Time with Basic Math

@jackannapolis Unless I misread the story, Mr. Ryan did NOT blow $500 on a dinner for three. That is a complete falsehood. Mr. Ryan had dinner and a single glass of wine, the price of which he did not know. After an obnoxious lady with a battle axe to grind -- and half a bottle of wine in her -- rudely attacked the group, Mr. Ryan graciously agreed to pay half the bill, which was much more than he would ever spend for wine.

Please reread the story, and explain how Mr. Ryan did any wrong.

Posted on July 11, 2011 at 7:18 pm 0

On Paul Ryan WineGate Shows He Has a Hard Time with Basic Math

@caw_caw First, thanks for the link. I was commenting on the text of the article, which said $700 worth of wine (it didn't mention how many bottles).

On reading the link, it turns out that the premise of the article IS fabricated. It would have been more honestly written like this:

Congressman Paul Ryan, enjoying a single glass of wine -- paid for by his host -- with his meal, was verbally assaulted by a woman emboldened by half a bottle of wine, for lapping up high-priced wine. This lady, by the way, makes more money than Ryan, who had no idea of the cost of the wine. Out of a spirit of fairness, Ryan, who would never spend that type of money on wine, decided to pay half the bill. The rude and abusive woman, committed to making a mountain out of a mole hill, photographed the wine and the receipt, and gave it to a liberal site in an attempt to marginalize Mr. Ryan, who, in fact, was quite noble in this event.

Which description of the event is really the fabrication?

Posted on July 11, 2011 at 6:36 pm 0

On Paul Ryan WineGate Shows He Has a Hard Time with Basic Math

The original premise involves a $700 bottle of wine. If that's a true fact, then why was the bill $392.70 before the tip?

Just how much of this account is fabricated, and how much is real?

Posted on July 11, 2011 at 3:28 pm 0