A Note: We Will No Longer Publish Things With Women Doing "Thinking"
Women don't debate big abstract questions, says the @Awl. They know how dumb ass that is. Or something like that, I dunno. http://jr.ly/azb2
Jay Rosen
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Ha, this morning on my way to coffee, I was thinking about writing something about how I was a little incoherent yesterday on the topic of journalism professionals Jay Rosen and Nicholas Carr debating 'Is the Internet Good For Journalism.' Because I was! My underlying criticism being: 1. Jesus, barn doors, horses, fires, etc., come on people, it's 2011. And 2. Who actually needs this conversation to happen? WHY? And 2.5 Jesus, if I have to hear two profesh men debate the meaning of things one more time, I'll sorta scream. (And, unsurprisingly, if there were actually "sides" in this non-debate, obviously I'd be on Jay Rosen's, who actually helps create journalism on the web and encourages such and tries to help the children of the brave new world.) But semi-coherence gets what it deserves, so Jay's dealt with me nicely. He's done me a service really—he's finally convinced me that women don't enjoy rising to the positions that these men hold, which is why there are virtually no ladies in the positions of semi-power (I mean, I know, "power," LOL—mostly I mean paycheck?) in the media talking head arena. I've realized I believe that women, well, yes! They just don't enjoy getting paid and/or debating abstract questions. I've decided to make it official: no more opinions by women here! Please pitch stories about your lady feelings to The Hairpin or something. MAYBE JUST GO HAVE SOME BABIES? Definitely stop reaching for the stars and stuff though.
Rosen's next tweet: "AM I RIGHT, LADIES?!!!"
So you don't like downtown LA?
@NinetyNine A+.
Well, what I think about publishing is durrrrrrrrrshoespinkyogurteysyyrjtrtesjhresjtksy
Simone de Blogvoir.
I don't mean to be dumb, but I've read Choire's post from yesterday like 5 times and I don't understand Rosen's response. Were ladies mentioned at all? Was that the problem? Help – my feeble ladybrain do not understand so good.
@julebsorry From one feeble ladybrain to the other – I think Rosen is responding to the "They ramble on about their professional feelings for a while as a bunch of women continue actually working" line at the bottom.
Which I took to mean "men are blowhards, whereas bitches get shit done." It has been so helpful for Rosen to explain to me (DARE I SAY MANSPLAIN) that my delicate gray matter was being insulted by that line.
@julebsorry I had the same reaction. Choire refers to the end to our "working." This is offensive only if you completely missed the point of the rest of the post.
@cherrispryte Oh wow, thanks. I did read the last line, also read it as "bitches get shit done while dudes massage their egos" and moved on. Thank god Rosen could explain to me that I was simply to stupid to be insulted. In fact, what a gentleman to white knight for us! He's not mad that he was mocked, oh no. He's STANDING UP FOR US LAYDEEZ, who have no friends at the Awl. Now I see!
(what a maroon)
@C_Webb Evidently the internet isn't good for Jay Rosen's understanding.
@julebsorry It took me a moment to discern the malfunction as well. Ms. Sicha was explaining that there is a debate at the Economist over whether the internet is good or bad for journalism. She explains that Mr. Rosen feels that it is and that Mr. Carr feels that it is not. In contrast to this exchange, Ms. Sicha writes, there is a large group of women who are actually working.
As nothing in the Economist's debate specifically dealt with gender I too was a little befuddled by Ms. Sicha's introduction of it. There is a clear implication in her statement that (1) what the participants of this debate are doing is not actually work and a rather sideways assessment that (2) women would be doing something more like actual work.
@benkyouburito – Having pronoun trouble, Miss Thang or trying to woo Ms. Sicha?
@scroll_lock Hang on, I gots to make the popcorn.
@C_Webb – I love it, whether it was ironic or not. I prefer to think the latter. WAIT, THERE I GO THINKING!
@scroll_lock: Ms. Sicha disapproves.
@C_Webb – He can take it up with Ms. Balk.
@scroll_lock – Or Balk's Vagina.
@C_Webb – Balk's uterus dispenses smokes and Bourbon.
@scroll_lock LKASHFLSFKH THANK GOD I CAME BACK IN HERE. I would never forgive myself if I missed the genesis of Ms. Sicha.
@jolie: Ms. Sicha assesses sideways.
@jolie Ms. Sicha's first name is pronounced "Sherrie."
(With apologies to the loverly cherrispryte!)
@C_Webb @DorothyMantooth:
Me and your blogger
Got a special thang going on
You say it's Internet love
We say it's IRL
Hope that we feel this
Feel this way forever
You could plan a pretty Bawl
But you can't predict the turnout, Ms. Sicha
@jolie I hope this goes on forever, forever, forever ever, forever ever, etc.
@jolie Someone should really tell him Ms. Sicha hates the use of the word befuddled and parenthesis around bullet points.
@zidaane meh. Ms. Sicha is probably just PMSing. benkyouburito should buy her some milk, I hear it helps.
@jolie Ms. Sicha discerns the malfunction. Mr. Benkyouburito, not so much.
@scroll_lock Ha. I'm sorry. You see, I don't see gender. Without a gender neutral personal pronoun it's really hit of miss without a photo (and even then … sometimes).
In reality I got sloppy. I'm on a bad connection and when I googled the author the first pic to come through (not the top of the list pic) was female so I made some assumptions.
Beyond the gender-bent term of address (which I blame on the misogyny of the English language) I don't think I'm far off.
@benkyouburito In that case, Sir, I do believe you meant to say Ze Sicha.
@benkyouburito you don't see gender! awwww.
listen, when GISing "Choire Sicha," out of the first two pages of results (which would be 37 images,) TWO of them are women. And one of the two is only there because Choire is standing right next to her. Shoddy research, buddy.
And we can talk all about the misogyny of English (and pretty much all modern languages) some other time. But you, my friend, have given many of us quite the chuckle this afternoon, and for that, I thank you.
@cherrispryte He was probably GISing "Claire Sicha" which, in his defense, is an easy mistake to make.
What a moron, or is that too intellectual of me / my ovaries?
So, you make fun of this Jay for debating like a retard and then he comes back at you (proving that he is) with a sexism charge that relies on the assumption that your lampooning of his "debate question" was actually a compliment on the abstractness (and the size!) of it?
I think: internet has definitely made journalism better!
@Niko Bellic That's a fair point. Sort of. I mean I did ask for it, in that neighborhood in that dress, though.
@Choire Sicha Some neighborhoods too ghetto for them, says The Awl!
@Choire Sicha Yeah, Ms. Sicha, you really were.
Wait, what?
@Clarence Rosario I think one of these guys wore shorts or something? Or is that the other guy's problem, ole Whassisname, the fat one, Mr. Hairypants…?
Women with opinions are like a monkey in a sidecar because you just know that Burt Reynolds is going to show up eventually and slap the shit out of them.
No wait, they're nothing like that. Women with opinions are like an empanada with chimichurri sauce because both upset my stomach
No, that's not it either. Women with opinions are like a set of big titties. Sure they're fun to play with for a half hour but then you kinda need a rest from them.
Yes. That's it. Women with opinions are like a set of big titties.
@saythatscool What about women with both?
@cherrispryte Well, I'll play with both but probably the titties first. Also, I'm gonna need a nap in there somewhere.
@saythatscool You know what makes a damn good pillow?
@saythatscool – This needs something about periods, body images and Michael Caine in a dress, then you are all set.
@IBentMyWookie – Monkeys in sidecars unanimously vote for napping on Burt Reynolds' toupe.
@scroll_lock No but in all seriousness, men are just naturally better at math than women.
@saythatscool Easy for you to speak seriously, as we all know men are nowhere near women when it comes to being serious, and thus can be excused for acting like boobs (inappropriately).
@saythatscool- true enough about math but I wager I can figure out what 35% off original price calculates to faster than any boy. And that's all the math anyone really needs, anyway. Algebra never shows its face at Nordstrom.
But he thinks women have a great sense of humor, right?
@kitten_witawip As long as we don't skip out on checks.
@C_Webb – Can Jay explain how to split a check?
@scroll_lock Yes, but we can't understand him.
@C_Webb- Jay's giving me middleschmertz, and not in the good way.
la la la…I can't hear you. I've got babies plugging my ears.
For all the big thinking these titans of new media like to engage in, they sure spend a lot of time getting all offended by the notion of their names being taken in vain. (see also: j*rvis, j*ff)
Is Jay that guy that was in the onesie in that photo thread? I think his huge thighs are making him cranky and interfering with his reading comprehension.
@scroll_lock Jay's fiery loins are like Don Quixote and Sancho Panza. No wait, they're nothing like that.
@saythatscool- Jay's fiery loins destroyed San Francisco and Gloria Steinem's day at the same time.
@scroll_lock Jay's fiery loins are smothered in Kansas City BBQ sauce and prominently featured on Guy Fieri's next Diners, Drive-Ins, and Dives.
@saythatscool – Jay's fiery loins come with a side order of Prevacid and are best approached wearing a hazmat suit.
@scroll_lock Jay's fiery loins bring all the boys to the yard.
@saythatscool – Jay's fiery loins have a small tattoo that says "Don't listen".
You can still publish things where we're crazy, right?
Is this whole thing really a secret love letter to Barnhouse?
If I knew or cared what Jay Rosen did for a living I would Lenten fast his place of employment SO HARD.
Hey Jay Rosen, stop making people who read news on the web look incapable of basic reading comprehension.
AND NOW, sexism lines twitter-painted with a sloppy broad brush.
I'VE ALWAYS SUSPECTED YOU GUYS WERE MISOGYNISTS.
@MichelleDean -Oh, stop. They have nothing against groinocologists.
@scroll_lock SEMPER FI, DUDE. Or something.
Sometimes Jay Rosen, whom I really do find has intelligent things to say most of the time, really gets it wrong. Also, I once sent him a tweet with a link to an essay behind the Harper's paywall, assuming incorrectly as it turns out that he subscribed. Since he's a journalist–and a Journalist–and all. Nope. Instead he asked me if I could copy and paste the essay and send it to him, which, to my shame, I did. JAY ROSEN MADE ME STEAL FROM HARPER'S.
What is it about guys sipping super expensive wine that makes crazy ladies wanna fight?
@ep Its because we want their wine, usually.