Maybe The Best Pizza In New York City
New Yorkers argue about pizza a lot. New Yorkers argue about a lot of things a lot, I suppose. But being that pizza is near and dear to New Yorker’s hearts (and that the very first pizza sold in America was sold at Lombardi’s, on Spring Street, in 1905), New Yorkers take special pleasure in arguing about pizza. Mostly: What place sells the very best pizza today? I have some thoughts about this myself. Though not ones that I’d wish to argue extremely vociferously about. I like to eat, and I like pizza (who doesn’t? Is there anyone who doesn’t like pizza?) but finding the perfect one is not a sacred Holy Grail thing to me. I have not traveled to every pizzeria in the city with a Vernier caliper to measure crust thickness and a score-card to document the all-important cheese-to-sauce ratio.
That said, a new pizza place opened in my neighborhood last year. And it’s made me very happy. It’s called San Marzano. It’s on Clinton Street and Rivington. It’s of the wood-burning-oven Neapolitan style that’s come into vogue of late. And I think it’s as good as places like Motorino and Lucali’s and Franny’s (I haven’t been to Keste or Co.). And I think it’s better, at this point, than Lombardi’s (where I still really like the clam pie they serve, but, man, if you don’t eat it in the first five minutes after it comes out, those clams are like a cross-sectioned super ball) and John’s and Patsy Grimaldi’s. I’ve never been Di Fara’s, which I know makes me not a good New Yorker and a bad person overall. It’s so far away, Avenue J, like a trip in a car? Seems easier maybe to go to Las Vegas and try the new outpost they’re opening there this summer. I have been to Totonno’s, though, in Coney Island. That place is great.
Anyway, if you’re in the mood for pizza, and happen to be near the Lower East Side, you should go to San Marzano. It’s a nice place to sit this time of year, sort of like you’re in a living room of a house designed in the 1960s by someone who liked Frank Lloyd Wright, with the floor-to-ceiling windows that open up onto the street. It’s not often crowded, at least in the afternoon. And you can get a slice, which is nice, and different from a lot of the Neapolitan spots. The Margherita is a sort of simple perfection, I think—tomato sauce, mozzarella, basil and olive oil, that’s it. (They use only San Marzano tomatoes, as you might have guessed, and they make the mozzarella there.) Also try the Foresta, which you’ll probably have to order a whole pie of. (Don’t worry, they’re small.) This has speck and arugula on it, with no tomato sauce. And is fresh and crunchy and salty and delicious—and is actually reminiscent of a forest, somehow. (The green of the arugula, I guess? The smokiness of the speck?)
There’s an excellent appetizer of Brussels sprouts with apples and pancetta, and good wine that they serve in attractive ovular glasses with no stem—which is preferable. I don’t like stems on wine glasses. Unless you’re drinking champagne, in which case I can see the benefit in terms of elevating the display of ascending bubbles, and achieving a truer ring with the clink of a toast. But if people are that worried about warming their chilled white wine with their hot little fingers, they should just drink it faster.
So San Marzano is great. The one drawback, to me, is the music they play. And it’s not even that much of a drawback. It’s fine, really, for restaurant music. Slightly too earnest folk-rock mostly, NPR-y toned. So you might hear “The Blower’s Daughter” (which, I have to admit to being a sucker for) or that Ray LaMontagne guy or Tracy Chapman singing “Fast Car.” But the other day I was in there with my kid (we often stop for a slice on the way home from me picking him up from school) and had to sit there and listen to Dave Matthews singing Neil Young’s “Down By the River.” “Down By the River” is one of my favorite songs ever by anybody, and I’d never known Dave Matthews had covered it. And I really wish he hadn’t. Here’s a link to it, if you’d like to hear how it sounds. But trust me, it sucks.
Here’s Neil singing it himself, with Crosby, Stills and Nash, on David Steinberg's show, The Music Scene, back in 1969. The guitar solo is definitely awesome enough to wash any thought of Dave Matthews version out of your head.
Previously: Fried chicken, turkey sandwiches, meatballs and the most delicious sandwich in New York City.






If the crust isn't stuffed with another pizza, get the fuck out. USA USA USA
@sorry your heinous And what of Cinnamon Sticks? And Dipping Sauce? If those things aren't on the menu it's not really pizza, now is it.
Sounds like more or less a guarantee of no … certain types of music.
I have never wished death on another human being, not even Osama Bin Laden let the record show! But… I wish death on Dave Matthews.
Sigh. I grew up in Chicagoland then lived in New York for a while so I was truly spoiled by living in pizza capitals until my late 20s. I am now in Atlanta, which definitely has some of the worst pizza in the entire developed world. I would kill (well, probably just maim) for a slice of any of the things you mention above. Has skype figured out how to send pizza yet??
@HeyThatsMyBike Mellow Mushroom, ick.
@Clarence Rosario I know. The fools here love that crap. All of them have 50 toppings so that you can't taste how bad the crust, cheese, and sauce are.
@HeyThatsMyBike "them" being the Mellow Mushroom Pizzas and not the fools, of course. Although a lot of the frat all-stars down here are a living example of bad cheese.
Fuck all y'all, CHICAGO-STYLE DEEP DISH 4 LYFE.
Randell OUT.
@Riff Randell Y'all that gotta rep for Chicago-style need to look into POT PIES if you wanna pile that much crap inside a crust and stop pretending you wanted a pizza.
@Riff Randell Lou Malnati's or Giordano's???
Or Gino's East?
fuck this series. i don't live in nyc, and have no plans to visit in the near future. why do i torture myself by reading these? the only thing it has done is remind me how shitty the bay area is for pizza.
@iantenna: Just wait for the post about which Chipotle has the best burrito in New York City.
@iantenna Have you tried Gioia?
@Astigmatism I will burn any such post to the fucking ground.
@Clarence Rosario i have heard great things about it but haven't tried it yet, i just wish it wasn't in north berkeley (ugh). i will have to make the trek though, since the only other decent east coast style option is arinell's and a dude in his 30s can only handle so much hateful crustpunk attitude before he snaps.
Amici's isn't bad for delivery pizza, and Little Star is good. Nothing as greatas the best on the East Coast, of course (Pepe's in New Haven, represent!), but tolerable.
@iantenna Ha! I had Arinell when I was out there for Memorial Day weekend. I waited in the car with the baby.
Now, I don't know your pain threshold for hippy pizza (I suspect it's not high), but I was also fond of the Cheeseboard when I lived out that way.
@Clarence Rosario good move, a baby should not be exposed to such people.
i actually have a high tolerance for hippy pizza, i love the cheeseboard and arizmendi's, but it's such a different beast from real pizza that it should be another conversation altogether.
next time you're in the east bay you should definitely try pizzaiolo or their offshoot, boot and shoe service. great wood-fired pizza, and aside from the aforementioned places, and lanesplitter's, it's the only pizza i fox with out here.
@iantenna For sure, Lanesplitter's. Nizza La Bella also used to do a pretty decent pizza, but it's more bistro pizza (although legit).
@iantenna Zero Zero also does the best wood-burning-oven Neapolitan style I've ever had.
Oh sure, it's easy to heap scorn on Dave Matthews in 2011. But anyone between the ages of 25 and 35 who claims they never went to a Dave show, or made out with that cute sophomore in their dorm with Satellite playing in the background, is either lying or can't remember college through all the drugs.
@Astigmatism I am directly in the center of that age range and I can assure you had anyone EVER tried to make out with me while Dave Matthews was playing, they'd have received a knee to the groin. That ain't right.
@allyzay I'm in that age group and I definitely missed out on Dave Matthews because when I tried to think of "Satellite" my brain responded with "Two Princes" by the Spin Doctors.
@Astigmatism I was in Charlottesville in those years when every hall in the dorms had at least three rooms blasting DMB. Sucked then, sucks now.
Co. is outstanding, perfectly charred pizza. Get the spinach pie ('The Popeye').
@Miles Klee: the crust must be slightly blackened and crispy. Artichoke is very good at this.
@Miles Klee Now we are talking!!!
The best pizza in New York City is in New Haven.
Also, "Cowgirl in the Sand" beats "Down by the River" hands down.
@SidAndFinancy Yes. I will just say it: I do not like Lombardi's. At all. New Haven 4 life.
@MollyculeTheory Nooooo no no…you need to try Di Fara's pizza in Midwood. It's definitely a hike and annoying ass all hell to stand in line for, but totally worth it.
@SidAndFinancy I went to Sally's many years ago and was served a pizza with many, many shards of broken glass in it. (They heard I was coming, I imagine.) It was really as if a Heineken bottle had fallen off a shelf and smashed onto my pizza, and they apparently didn't notice this (unless they did) and continued to ladle on the sauce and cheese. So I haven't been back there. And then last year, I went to Pepe's and had pizza that was fine and okay and would land somewhere in the middle-range of quality among New York pizza places. This makes my friend Sal from New Haven unhappy to hear this. But it is true.
New Haven pizza can kiss V&T's sugary, fresh garlic-covered ass.
@Dave Bry Sally's and Pepe's get all the press — and they are good — but try Modern and Bar. Mashed potato pizza at Bar. Sorry about the glass!
@dntsqzthchrmn I can't argue with V&T's. Meet at the Hungarian pastry shop for dessert?
@SidAndFinancy: I'll just have a coffee. And another and another and another another
@SidAndFinancy Aaah I lived about two blocks from Modern for 5 years; it was so hard to say goodbye. Living near Roberta's is like a sad little consolation prize.
This is a well-balanced, dead-on group!
Everybody's right. New Haven pizza is terrific. You should go to Di Fara (and not in Vegas!) Chipotle's is a joke.
And Dave Matthews?! Funny — the only time I ever saw him, it was because the opening act was… Neil Young. Whom the dumbassed, pop-collar kids ignored, while I stood teary-eyed through "Cortez the Killer". Later Dave came on, and suddenly dudes were swarming around us, knocking us down practically. I lasted for three songs.
Greetings from Charlottesville, the town with the dubious distinction of having unleashed Dave Matthews upon the world!
Fuck all this burned crispy crust shit. Lucia's (heiress to Gloria's) in Flushing is where it's at. Day-glo red fruit punch bubbler, generic storefront, swarthy dudes, and magical pizza. Yes, in Flushing.
DiFara's is a train ride, not a car. The subway stops about a block away.
There's a relatively new place in Williamsburg called Best Pizza and it pretty much is one of the best in the 5 boroughs and worth going to from anywhere.
• Motorino, to me, is overrated. Too oily. Grimaldi's is very good but not worth the wait. DiFara's is absolutely worth the subway ride, provided you have a whole day to kill. Rizzo's in Astoria is really good.
• I spent my high school and early college years getting blitzed and going to about a dozen Dave Matthews shows. It is one of the low points of my life. Now whenever I hear his voice I get hives.
Stromboli's on St Marks & First was, until about 18-24 months ago, the single greatest place on earth for the "utility slice" of regular old fucking 'fold it up and eat it you drunk moron' pizza on the face of the planet. It's still alright, but a drunken slice at Strombo's from about 2004-2008 was the kind of shit that makes this city kick all the rest of 'em in the bottom.
ROBERTAS. Not ONE place in Brooklyn or the Bronx mentioned?
@BardCollege I plan on going to Roberta's this weekend. Their margherita is fantastic.
@BardCollege Or Staten Island? Peoples, that is the home of the old school utility slice.
The "Best Pizza in NYC" debate is stupid because there are different kinds of pizza. DiFara's is like pilgrimage pizza, destination pizza, but what about when you just want a slice while you're walking? What if don't want one of those "authentic" slices at the moment but rather one of those slices that is loaded with bizarre toppings? I had a slice with sausage, smoked gouda, garlic, and mushrooms today in Williamsburg and it was great, but other times I all I want is good sauce and cheese. And one-dollar pizza is, of course, it's own genre.
@Harry Cheadle I was telling someone the other day that I felt there was a developing stratification of pizza places in Manhattan. Either they're $12 a pie fancypants pizza places, or they're super-cheap $1 slices that taste like Elio's. The old-school "authentic" slice is slowly beginning to move solely to the outer boroughs.
@Harry Cheadle: You mean the lifesaving $0.99 slice of midtown, I presume.
@DennyCrane Yeah, I think you may be right. Still, the authentic slice is my favorite, and the best place for it is Carmine's in Brooklyn.
Plus the slices are like the size of your head but still totally fold-and-go friendly.
Nothing beats the Sicilian Slice at Spumoni Gardens (what a perfect name!) in Gravesend Brooklyn on a hot summer evening. Sitting in the courtyard, local teens a-flirting, inappropriately expensive cars in the parking lot, what else could you want. Go ahead and get an ice while you're at it. That's livin' son.
Visit after Coney sometime, you will not be disappointed.
This thread is making me cry over my newfound inability to eat pizza without having a three-day-long stomachache.
*sulks in the corner eating trader joe's fresh mozzerella string cheese*
@Maura Johnston Dairy on a sour stomach? Are you mad, woman?
Longtime lurker, just signed up to say this:
If you have never been to L&B Spumoni Gardens hop on that N train and get a half sicilian and pistachio spumoni. Right now.
@LloydBraun
Don't get in town often enough but L&B is on the short list. Also: Ruby's in Coney Island — they nearly shut it down for good this winter. This summer might be their last one. If I get to New York this year (I usually do) this one is for sure
MYSTIC PIZZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
me. i don't like pizza
in my defense, i've never been to new york.
Umberto's, on Long Island.
/runs and hides
But… I thought Famiglia's was the best pizza!
/ducks.
If they have "an excellent appetizer of Brussels sprouts with apples and pancetta" you're not eating New York pizza. I don't think you're even in New York.
I love pizza! It's a great choice for an evening with a good movie LOL!
I almost didn't post this because the line there is already too long as it is, but: Artichoke.
I wonder where Dave Matthews likes to get his pizza at.
I need to know so that I never, ever go there.