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Let's talk about the finale of Mad Men!
There will be plenty of excitement this evening at 10 PM Eastern when a pissy Peyton Manning scowls on the sidelines in our nation's capital AMC airs the finale to Season 4 of "Mad Men." While the redoubtable Natasha Vargas-Cooper will of course be brining you your weekly installment of Footnotes tomorrow, the way our shared cultural heritage works these days is that everyone watches something and immediately jumps on the Internet to talk about it. (Sometimes they even do so during the event.) So we may as well set up a water cooler (your choice if beverage may vary) right here in anticipation. See you later on this evening. Feel free to smoke.
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Full disclosure, I published this for Alex because of some technical difficulties.
Thus, the headline is mine, and much worse than what he probably would have done had he had the opportunity.
I still think that Roger. Will. Die.
Sally, same way you think Roger will.
AND I pray I'm wrong.
I don't think anyone's DYING. There's still two seasons left of the show.
I've heard that Sally rumor, and I really don't like it.
Which is why I think it's likely?
no one but Hurley
I am going to be VERY UPSET if Sally dies #refusetobelieve
Have we talked about how frigging much she looks like Drew Barrymore?
Take your NONSENSE RUMORS ELSEWHERE, guys. This thread is only for SERIOUS DISCUSSION of the INEVITABILITY of Roger Sterling's suicide. Sally will grow up to be a very angry woman with lots of first wave feminism.
In the way that lots of cute marginally-chubby blonde 10 yr old girls look like Drew Barrymore, yes.
Sally looks nothing like Drew Barrymore, she's also much cuter.
None of you children have seen E.T., have you?
When this is over I'll post a picture of the two side by side, you're going to be really embarrassed.
(Yes, Alex, she looked like Drew looked.)
I dunno, Alex. I don't see it. Maybe if she had tattoos?
If Sally Draper is this generation's Neil Perry, I'm going to throw something.
I agree about the young Drew.
http://www.thesmogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/sallyblood0914.png
http://www.girl.com.au/dbarrymore_e.t.htm
Sally has so much youthful drug-use/teen runaway/ cult murder family potential. She can't be lost.
Could you guys have this kind of livecomment/blog/whatever for the Breaking Bad finale as well (and every other episode of the upcoming season come July)?
Hm, Breaking Bad isn't coming back for awhile though, is it?
Next July. :(
JULY?? I hope you're wrong about that. It'd be cruel to make us wait that long!
There's a conspiracy theory that it was pushed back so that Mad Men's actors could win some awards and thus help the show get even more critical acclaim?
Set up one of those live chat things! Come on! It's 2010 for chrissake! I will have many valuable contributions that YOU CANNOT MISS. Otherwise I'll just talk to the dog and he doesn't understand the 1960s.
A "Cover It Live"?
try an english bulldog, strangely sophisticated
I would like to say that this has officially been a Bad Day for the Internet – or at least the corner of it that I inhabit – and I feel this liveblog may be doomed.
More and more friends are joining the chorus that is "Rubicon is a good show" but fuck, I just cannot get into this show.
Yes, I am talking about Rubicon while MM is not on yet.
Is anyone saying that? I heard the first two were ok, but then after that it's just been horrible?
I have no idea. I've been told that it actually gets better. I'm watching the finale right now and I don't know what's happening but my main problem with it – that it tries way too hard to be "mysterious" still exists. I mean, it just cut to a commercial break after showing a group of men sitting around a glass table in a darkened room. Give me a fucking break (even if I may not know the context of it at all). Conspiracy committee!
I watched the pilot when they did an early "sneak peak" showing of it after an episode of Breaking Bad last spring.
And i was like … meh.
Is this the one about meth?
Yes. I'm watching the second season right now, I like it less than the first season, but it's still pretty great.
BREAKING BAD IS GOOD
*and so is Men of a Certain Age*
"Breaking Bad" is about METH.
"Rubicon" is about MEH.
My prediction: Because Matthew Weiner cannot stop self-plagiarizing his work on "The Sopranos," creepy Glenn will make a doody in a shower and then step on it.
Oh get off it.
"technical difficulties"
little goth guidos.
I'm mostly pissed that I'm gonna miss "East Bound" for this. FUCK YOU "Boardwalk" with you 9 PM airtime!
If only there was some way to either record a show or have it provided by the network to watch whenever you wanted to!
Well, it's gonna be about the blackout of November 9, 1965, unless it takes place before, or they just talk about it if it's after. Let's not forget that the Pillsbury Dough Boy was created by a copywriter at rival (tobacco-account-having) Leo Burnett on November 7. (As if anyone could forget that!)
DISNEY WORLD
I KNOW NO ONE CARES
But.
A few weeks ago this very commenter predicted SCDP's next big client.
Dow Chemical.
Makers of saran wrap AND napalm.
I WIN I WIN. Send me the check WEINER.
In that same comment I also said that there was no way Joanie was going to have a secret baby. UGH. (CAUSE HOW MANY SECRET BABIES CAN ONE SHOW HAVE)
So sometimes I – we (ALL) – lose.
oprah, you've always been so wise.
Oprah loves the smell of gasoline victory
Commenting together while a TV show is on? WHAT AN AMAZING IDEA!!! :-)
What will they think of next?
Ok, we need a DRINKING GAME for this. THink of reasons to drink!
For example: Don Draper looks world-weary — Drink!!
Hey, i've got my hands full trying to think of reasons NOT to drink at the moment.
Word.
(It's nice being able to do one of these for once even though I'm on the West Coast!)
Don't die from cancer!
I'm TRYING
I will use this space to allow someone to make the opening credits joke about whether or not Don jumps.
Like, "Oh no, is Don going to jump?" That sort of thing.
Dammit! *I* was gonna make that joke. Now you ruined it!
No, no, it's all you! Go for it!
Ok I will. I'll start practicing it now, just to be sure I'm ready …
NOW.
Damn, I missed it! I didn't notice it was 10 already!
*hangs head in shame*
Reblogging Mister Hippity: "Oh shit, is Don going to jump?"
I'm watching Hitch right now – Kevin James just walked in with a box of Krispy Kreme, is there one in the city?
BOREDwalk Empire
Keep antagonizing each other please!
That hug? Glenn = creepy Albert Brennaman
Ok, here are some more drinking game rules.
Drink whenever somebody:
- Smokes a cigarette.
- Drinks an alcoholic beverage.
- Says something sexist.
- Whenever Roger Sterling kills himself
Sally masturbates.
IT'S STARTING!!!!!!!!
My mother finds the opening sequence "too nine-eleveny." Thoughts?
Well, they had the exact same score. (Too soon, etc.?)
DON LOOKS WORLD-WEARY.
DRINK!!!
Dammit, this comment showed up in the wrong place.
Does Jon Hamm's sporadic chest hair freak anyone else out?
Girls hate Dr. Faye.
Girls are retarded.
Sometimes I am confused as to what I am because I do not hate Dr. Faye or Betty. BUT Meghan+Don and that wispy lady from Rubicon drive me nuts.
I HATE THE WISPY LADY
The colors are amazing though.
Of his chest hair?
of Joan's dress!
EWWWWW TOMATO JUICE IN A CLEAR GOBLET
clamato
Those kids and their music, ahahaha amirite?!
Also, how long before Christina Hendricks plays Maggie in a revival of "After the Fall"?
Jesus, even Carla is blackballing him??
"It's not that big a deal. I say good-bye to people all the time." HEART PAIN
CREEPY GLEN IS CREEPY WHY IS CARLA HELPING HIM?!
So much greatness in the "I'm not Pete" line. Also Vincent however you spell his last name does NOT get enough credit for how terrific he is at playing a terrible person.
CORR ECT.
so true, so true.
I keep forgetting about all of the awful things Pete has done, because much of this season he's looked like the show's hero. Or at least that his sleaze is the most honest/least self-deluded sleaze of the whole gang.
Glenn please make a doody in Sally's room NOW!
Sally, get Glenn some doody from Disneyland!
And they'll find Betty's hair in it!
God damn you fucking Betty!!!!!
Oh, Carla, SUH NAP!
I would submit that the difference between January Jones and Vincent However You Spell His Last Name is their ability to play detestable characters.
He's better, but she's good at hers, too. It's just that she's also stupid and can't play any other roles ever at all in anything else.
She's also not written, um, fairly? I mean, they give her no out.
"No one's ever on your side, Betty."
This episode has been pretty meh so far (like this entire season) but that line/entire scene, oh man.
Oh, Jesus. Faye is Mr. Mom this weekend!
IT'S GOING TO BE THE SECRETARY!!!
Oh you are RITE
I canNOT believe Carla doesn't get to go to Cali.
DING DING! Trip ends with a WEDDING.
Definitely secretary.
But he's going to visit Anna's grave, right? And/or see Stephanie? Can't do that with Meghan around. . .
DON'T DO IT DON!!!!!!!!!!
Concierge mistakes the secretary for Mrs. Draper in three… two…
well done, Cho.
"Who's 'Motherfucking Fucking Asshole'?" "That's me. That's my nickname sometimes."
is this a joke?
Faye sucked at the Mom thing. Actually I think there is some truth to this scenario ('love me, love my kid.')
HARRY YOU CREEPY SON OF A BITCH
yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Fuck me, I want to see this Mark Walhberg movie. I cried like a fucking child at the end of "The Champ" when I was six — and, I guess, a child — though.
I once poured ice in a Diet Pepsi cup to Randall "Tex" Cobb. If I'm ever in that situation again, I'll throw it at him for you.
that trailer was insanely impressive.
They managed to make that movie look about 20x more interesting than it should. Whoever cut that trailer is a super editor and a big fan of Scorsese.
"Please, stop the advertising" is a good line.
OH BLOODY HELL YOU ARE NO FRAULEIN MARIA
Um, also: THAT FRENCH-SINGING CHICK IS HOT.
DOUBLE DING DING!
I'd let her sing me to sleep in french any night/morning/afternoon.
NOPE.
BLACK DRESSSSSS shut up cho less competition for me GOOD. She is all mine to sweep off her feet and elope with.
OH WOW.
WHO'S DICKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK?
"Whose dick" could be the tagline for the show.
That's what Ida said.
You guys better post the exact same thread 3 hours later (but with better jokes) for the west coast.
I'll be well passed out by then.
No we had it at the same time (seven pm! early)
******GAH ENGAGEMENT RING********
UHHHHHH.
So basically she's gonna find it and WHOOPS only explanation is engagement, right?
Right.
Aaaaaaaa
OK, wait, do we know if Faye knows he's in California with her?
C'MON DON TAKE OFF YOUR SHIRT YOU HOT MAN-BEAR!!!
Okay internet denziens, I need a .gif of John Hamm cannonballing into a pool, stat.
FUCK YES.
"I just wanted to make sure you saw me in this outfit."
And why not?
HD television was invented so Don Draper could wear that jacket.
That's a 15-year-old-babysitter-on-vacation move.
"That's a 46-yard-run to the consternation of Mike Shanahan."
Stray thoughts:
SO MANY GIRLS ARE SWOONING AT DON DRAPER RIGHT NOW
Gene is a really ugly baby
Death is rarely pretty.
WHAT WAS THAT LINGERING STARE AT THE SECRETARY???
I bet he's gonna do sex to her! Again!
Oooooh, maybe Peggy is gonna get engaged [too]. . .
I SMELL BOSTON MARRIAGE!!!
Don's living the high life!
the champagne of beers, baby
OH I SO HOPE SHE'S IN BED WITH SOMEONE
aw fuck
"I wanted to go over the plan … in my pants."
SHIT IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN!!!!!!!!!!
…on Don.
Let's be real, if this was Carla here, it would all be happening with her.
Can someone write some Carla/Don fan fiction? I'm a Con/Donla shipper -
True facts: Don has trouble sleeping without laying one down on a lady.
DIAMOND CLEAVAGE THING NEEDS TO COME BACK
dsjakldsjkaldsa great minds
"I just thought I'd poke my head in."
And … he poked his head in.
"Were you thinking about this when I asked you to come?"
I would not mind those teeth, if you know what I mean. (I mean "blowjob.")
Is Faye gonna telllllllllll?
I haven't seen this show in a while. Does Don Draper ALWAYS have five o'clock shadow? I can't remember …
Yup.
Pro tip: Telling a dude, "I know you have a good heart and I know you're trying to get better," while rubbing his cock? GUARANTEED WINNER.
That's a tip from a pro.
While this is not the place to go into my personal life, I AM ALL TOO FAMILIAR WITH THAT MOVE.
Oh, right, Elisabeth Moss is in this show!
I can't wait for The Walking Dead and for Betty to kill herself.
Betty, yes. Sally, no.
(Not That Profound) Series Finale Prediction: Don is having trouble keeping up, his past catches up to him, but Peggy saves and eclipses him.
Keeping up, or keeping IT up?
The latter would be a real surprise twist.
Can Jimmy Gandolfini make Kristen Stewart a better actress by threating to eat her?
DON, NO PURPLE MOIRE.
Why is Gene in a pink onesie?
AND WHY IS MEGHAN IN PEGGY'S DRESS?
Or was that a dress of Anna's? SOMEBODY on this show has worn that same dress. . .
Don Draper looks world-weary … DRINK!!!
Um I am kind of suddenly very much Team Megan. Thoughts?
WAIT MAYBE I AM NOT.
I've always been team Megan. But I have ulterior motives.
(They involve naked times)
Alright we get it: Megan is confident beyond her era! God!
Hi I'm Don but actually I'm Roger Sterling and have been this entire season.
Pro tip: Telling a chick, "I feel like myself with you," and then giving her a ring? GUARANTEED WINNER.
This is a tip from a pro?
AND THEY LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER.
*** End of Series ***
Thanks for playing, everyone!
Oh wait. There's still 15 minutes left.
Just long enough for Roger to hit the ground.
THE DRAPER/WHATSHERFACE WEDDING IS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG
I kinda saw this coming but WHUUUH?
Who the hell's that??
So much love for "Megan out there?"
People smoking. DRINK!!
People drinking. SMOKE!!
Thank you for giving me that moment of actual fun between Peggy and Joan. And fuck you for almost everything else.
I MEAN I'M READY FOR THE CAVE WITH THE POOL OF LIGHT NOW
Exactly!
THEY'RE IN PURGATORY — THEY'VE BEEN DEAD THE WHOLE TIME.
YES, the Light Cave. BUT only if it includes Allison Janney and her killing rock.
I am really enjoying the GIRL TALK between Peggy and Joan!
My favorite part.
Love dem broads!
We need more Peggy and Joan as a cackle of rads.
FAYE KNOWS THE SECRET THOUGH!!!!!
(via @gumplr)
She deserves credit for that amazing "I know" face.
"So you're not gonna put an ad in The New York Times saying you never liked me?" YESSSSSSSSSSSSS "Well I hope she knows you only like the beginnings of things." YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS *no bearing on my own life of course*
Oh my, Joanie.
I am SO disappointed Dr. Rapist didn't just get blown up.
as are we all.
I am not allowed to talk about the Christina Hendricks thing.
What?
Please, please, please Don and Betty, don't make out. Please.
"YES, THEY'RE BIGGER"
I CANNOT BREATHE/LIVE.
I love that we can laugh about Don's secret drinking.
That sounds about right*.
*As far as things go that you would love.
I half wish they used the Beavis and Butthead and Cher cover of I Got You Babe.
I don't think Betty is really very happy for Don.
That could easily just be January Jones' acting ability ….
Betty is DEFINITELY not happy about January Jones' acting ability.
She was totally going to try to get him back but NO not even with touching-up of makeup right before his arrival!
So cheesy. That was not January Jones's fault.
VERDICT: Disappointing?
NO. It was great. We're ushering in the fall of Don Draper, this will all turn into very good television.
Optimistic. In my overwhelming naivete, I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER.
And maybe things are looking up? They will most likely all come crashing down, but for the moment, I'm going to focus on Peggy and Joan's awesome moment and ignore thoughts of how long Don can go without cheating and destroying his own happiness.
Sigh. Yes.
I thought it was a dream sequence. I kept waiting for Don (or Pretty Megan) to wake up.
I mean, Jesus.
He gave her a ring from a dead guy.
The whole thing is a mirage.
I mean I will still watch the hell out of it, but, yes, the feeling I have right now is disappointment.
Yes, Balk, that was disappointing. :(
The thing is, if anything bigger had happened (ex. Roger or Sally dies), then it would have been TOO big. Since they know when the show is ending, they're setting the table, they give enough to push the series forward in a direction that's not yet been charted (What is happy Don like? Will Peggy eclipse Don? Etc.) without going too crazy. B+ from me
Roger gets #1 on Lisanti's power rankings tomorrow for not dying.
DON YOU DOG
I was a little "meh" on it, but mostly because Mad Men always wants me wanting more at the end of the season.
So disappointing. EXCEPT for non-death of Sally. Jesus you lot got me so freaked out that I nearly had a stroke every time the kids went in the pool.
Meghan is such a flat character, so far. So that part was just boring, terrible dialogue, maudlin, "when I saw you sleeping" blah blah. So that was the most disappointing bit.
Was redeemed slightly by reveal of pregnancy though. Owing to which I would say that odds of rapey-doctor survival have just dropped precipitously.
me too, honey, me too.
I like her teeth.
I thought he was going to come out of the shower at the end of the episode to find Betty in the kitchen and the whole season a dream.
I was watching the Skins/Colts game most of the time, so I can't really say …
So, are we going to continue this talk for the rerun or the West Coast broadcast? I need company.
Spoiler alert: The HD feed was simultaneous. THE FUTURE
That was one big shrug.
They used a fake blue sky for the California scenes. I am appalled.
So, in sum: the rest of the series is going to play out just like Groundhog Day until Don Draper learns to love or something.
I find it completely plausible Matt Weiner juggled the entirely chronology of the season just so he could end on "I Got You, Babe."
I would like to say I'm really glad Sally's not dead.
Is this a ploy to get us to hit refresh a hundred billion times?
Of course! And we have fun too.
EVERYBODY WINS.
Did Don forget that Dr. Faye's daddy hangs out with the Sopranos?
Season five…Don goes for a walk in the woods.
He decided to forget. NARCISSISTIC IMPULSE-RESISTANCE PROBLEM
Is that fancy for "thinks with his dick"?
If these two actually get married, they had better hire Carla.
Yeah, you'd think I came here to talk about Mad Men, but no.
I'm worried about Fostie the Snowman. He seems high strung tonight.
Has anyone told him to sit down for a second and realize that he's becoming famous and developing a good backstory for success in publishing?
I think he needs someone like Choirkey (whichever of you has the cat that can damn well sit in the chair in the backyard) to sit him down and explain how true success is built, not that fake become a cokewhore kind of success like those in Hollywood always end up as.
He's well on his way, but I think he just doesn't know it yet.
Also, it would be nice if I could find a damn link to the Awl Network. It's a Sunday night and all the good tv is over with and what the hell else am I going to do? Terrorize some random website or share my love with Network? Post a damn link.
wut?
That's the whole point narnio. A new website was launched with all this fanfair and calling it part of the new Awl Network…AND THEN NOTHING.
No links, no explanation. Just a damn dropped plotline. As if Foster Kamer was just a 2 episode character arc.
I demand answers. Fucking writers always just drop plotlines as if they never existed. I was reading this one book earlier where the plot was compelling in its own way and then mid paragraph the damn author changed the name of the lead character without saying anything.
Annoying.
I hated it when Sally turned into a zombie and Don had to shoot her.
Wha?
I miss all the good shows.
Oh boy I knew she was still "expecting", yikes.
just like Dr. Rape not to be able to do the math.
He's a surgeon, and a failure at that. Of course he can't do math. Or anything.
I'm not in love with Dr. Harris, but this scenario does not necessitate his being dumb. She's told him she's pregnant; he hadn't been gone that long when she slept with Roger. The baby will just be a little premature, as far as Greg will know (if he lives).
DUH, I mean, the baby will be a little late.
"I don't want to ride an elephant; I want to fly a jet." –Don, I mean, Bobby, Draper
And now, the real cliffhanger: why is Harry Crane such an inscrutable weirdo all of a sudden?
For real. Has anyone on TV ever gone from nerd to perv as quickly as Harry Crane?
I love how after all these years, Dick Whitman is still stealing Don's shit.
True! But I kind of thing that everything Anna-based is vaguely good, so perhaps the engagement is not horrible?
So good.
You know what? Meghan looks a lot like Don's mother.
Which is interesting, since Faye has very much been acting like a mother around Don, and Meghan hasn't.
Maybe Don is "of French extraction," too!
Henry had the "Here Is Your Season's Theme" line of the night – the bit about how you can't just forget the past, because it will keep affecting you. A lot of this season has been about Don finding the middle ground, of how to not forget the past while also not letting it own him.
Someone get me some ice.
"Let's be real, if this was Carla here, it would all be happening with her." I love it when you make me laugh, David Cho.
"They like live blogs generally."
Seriously though, that girl's chompers are pretty big.
Team Betty.
Also: Elisabeth Moss for best supporting and/or actress. Body language was off the charts this year. You can see her aging. It is awesome.
I forsee the Peggy/Ken powerteam essentially running the place next season
Can someone tell me what was said when they were sideways in bed together? I couldn't even watch. I hate this plotline.
All this, and nobody made a "brining" joke?
The Redskins/Colts game was really good. I knew we'd never manage to win, but we got within 3 points! Sadly, no injuring of Peyton Manning occurred either, which was the outcome I really wanted.