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	<title>Comments on: The Future: When the Editors Hire the Publishers</title>
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		<title>By: Ottoe</title>
		<link>http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/the-future-when-the-editors-hire-the-publishers#comment-52334</link>
		<dc:creator>Ottoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 06:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate Marty Peretz as much as the next blogger does, but it&#039;s worth pointing out that he&#039;s an editor-owner who, perhaps not coincidentally, JMM wrote for back in the day. So ... just saying ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate Marty Peretz as much as the next blogger does, but it&#039;s worth pointing out that he&#039;s an editor-owner who, perhaps not coincidentally, JMM wrote for back in the day. So &#8230; just saying &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: advocatusdiaboli</title>
		<link>http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/the-future-when-the-editors-hire-the-publishers#comment-50780</link>
		<dc:creator>advocatusdiaboli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But since both editors and publishers are owned, in the feudal sense as in beholden to for their livelihood, by the advertisers then this is really not a water shed event at all. Just one peasant assuming the chores of another in the service of their liege lord. And what do you think Fox News is anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But since both editors and publishers are owned, in the feudal sense as in beholden to for their livelihood, by the advertisers then this is really not a water shed event at all. Just one peasant assuming the chores of another in the service of their liege lord. And what do you think Fox News is anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Awesome X</title>
		<link>http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/the-future-when-the-editors-hire-the-publishers#comment-41301</link>
		<dc:creator>Awesome X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was the placement of this above the baboons vs. bears post deliberate or just a happy coincidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was the placement of this above the baboons vs. bears post deliberate or just a happy coincidence?</p>
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		<title>By: kenlayne</title>
		<link>http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/the-future-when-the-editors-hire-the-publishers#comment-41226</link>
		<dc:creator>kenlayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, so we are almost in UTOPIA?!

I guess, when I think about it, being an editor-owner is a lot more fun than working for people and worrying about getting fired. It is especially fun during the &quot;months with money.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, so we are almost in UTOPIA?!</p>
<p>I guess, when I think about it, being an editor-owner is a lot more fun than working for people and worrying about getting fired. It is especially fun during the &#034;months with money.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: sailor</title>
		<link>http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/the-future-when-the-editors-hire-the-publishers#comment-41215</link>
		<dc:creator>sailor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, Choire, as usual. Doubt you&#039;ll be hiring a publisher once you take this to money land, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, Choire, as usual. Doubt you&#039;ll be hiring a publisher once you take this to money land, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Abe Sauer</title>
		<link>http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/the-future-when-the-editors-hire-the-publishers#comment-41213</link>
		<dc:creator>Abe Sauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a sad day when I am anything&#039;s hope for a continued place in any world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a sad day when I am anything&#039;s hope for a continued place in any world.</p>
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		<title>By: Tulletilsynet</title>
		<link>http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/the-future-when-the-editors-hire-the-publishers#comment-41165</link>
		<dc:creator>Tulletilsynet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ssssh, you&#039;re not supposed to tell academics where their money comes from. And they actually know very well, but the good ones don&#039;t really believe it except while sitting through department meetings. (The bad ones never think about anything else, ever. See above, under taking people out and shooting them.) Journalists are not unlike that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ssssh, you&#039;re not supposed to tell academics where their money comes from. And they actually know very well, but the good ones don&#039;t really believe it except while sitting through department meetings. (The bad ones never think about anything else, ever. See above, under taking people out and shooting them.) Journalists are not unlike that.</p>
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		<title>By: Tulletilsynet</title>
		<link>http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/the-future-when-the-editors-hire-the-publishers#comment-41163</link>
		<dc:creator>Tulletilsynet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did try that. My publisher and editor-in-chief writes stories (lots of them) and submits them to the news editor and then runs on and does his other things. I think that is related to my still having a job. The boss is too busy to fire people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did try that. My publisher and editor-in-chief writes stories (lots of them) and submits them to the news editor and then runs on and does his other things. I think that is related to my still having a job. The boss is too busy to fire people.</p>
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		<title>By: iplaudius</title>
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		<dc:creator>iplaudius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or maybe newspapers are just one step behind universities? 

Universities used to have royal patrons and ecclesiastical rulers who would control the curriculum (like publishers controlling editorial content). 

In the next stage, the faculty (i.e., editors) came to control the university; patrons could no longer dictate who would be hired, what would be taught, and so forth (like Talking Points Memo now). 

But as time goes on, universities need more and more money. Fundraising becomes more important. The university president is no longer just a member of the faculty with a leadership position. He is at best an intellectual figurehead who is really a gifted administrator. But, more and more, he is fundamentally a businessman and fundraiser. 

You see where this is going?

Like Talking Points Memo with its publisher, the university charges the president to grow the business side of things. But the prerogatives of his office and the development-mission begin to shape the intellectual life of the university too much, to the extent that its focus, mission, and landscape are changed. What gets funding? How much? What is emphasized in teaching and research? 

He who pays piper doesn&#039;t call the tune, not exactly, in the sense that donors can&#039;t pick faculty, and so forth. It&#039;s just that the exigencies of business often have unexpected and widespread effects on the organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe newspapers are just one step behind universities? </p>
<p>Universities used to have royal patrons and ecclesiastical rulers who would control the curriculum (like publishers controlling editorial content). </p>
<p>In the next stage, the faculty (i.e., editors) came to control the university; patrons could no longer dictate who would be hired, what would be taught, and so forth (like Talking Points Memo now). </p>
<p>But as time goes on, universities need more and more money. Fundraising becomes more important. The university president is no longer just a member of the faculty with a leadership position. He is at best an intellectual figurehead who is really a gifted administrator. But, more and more, he is fundamentally a businessman and fundraiser. </p>
<p>You see where this is going?</p>
<p>Like Talking Points Memo with its publisher, the university charges the president to grow the business side of things. But the prerogatives of his office and the development-mission begin to shape the intellectual life of the university too much, to the extent that its focus, mission, and landscape are changed. What gets funding? How much? What is emphasized in teaching and research? </p>
<p>He who pays piper doesn&#039;t call the tune, not exactly, in the sense that donors can&#039;t pick faculty, and so forth. It&#039;s just that the exigencies of business often have unexpected and widespread effects on the organization.</p>
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		<title>By: LondonLee</title>
		<link>http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/the-future-when-the-editors-hire-the-publishers#comment-41139</link>
		<dc:creator>LondonLee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try working at a magazine where the editor-in-chief is also the publisher (as I do), it might sound like utopia but he never has time to do the first job properly which makes my life a fucking misery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try working at a magazine where the editor-in-chief is also the publisher (as I do), it might sound like utopia but he never has time to do the first job properly which makes my life a fucking misery.</p>
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		<title>By: jfruh</title>
		<link>http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/the-future-when-the-editors-hire-the-publishers#comment-41120</link>
		<dc:creator>jfruh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I remember when I started my first editorial job, and realized that &quot;publisher&quot;, which meant &quot;your big boss&quot;, always meant &quot;somebody who rose up in the ranks from sales.&quot;  It was disillusioning!  And this was a We bsite, on the Internet.  So, hooray for Josh Marshall, but surely in ye olde days of newspapers the editors originally hired the publishers too?  I fear it won&#039;t take for the power structure to re-establish itself, around the time the founding writers/editors/bloggers/what have you of these online properties start retiring/dying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I remember when I started my first editorial job, and realized that &#034;publisher&#034;, which meant &#034;your big boss&#034;, always meant &#034;somebody who rose up in the ranks from sales.&#034;  It was disillusioning!  And this was a We bsite, on the Internet.  So, hooray for Josh Marshall, but surely in ye olde days of newspapers the editors originally hired the publishers too?  I fear it won&#039;t take for the power structure to re-establish itself, around the time the founding writers/editors/bloggers/what have you of these online properties start retiring/dying.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/the-future-when-the-editors-hire-the-publishers#comment-41107</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to know someone is trying to make sure &quot;the publishing paradigm&quot; still has a place in this world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to know someone is trying to make sure &#034;the publishing paradigm&#034; still has a place in this world.</p>
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		<title>By: Moff</title>
		<link>http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/the-future-when-the-editors-hire-the-publishers#comment-41101</link>
		<dc:creator>Moff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a short time after our sincerely awesome managing editor bailed to take a much better job, the newsroom at the paper I used to work at was run by the publisher. That was an experience. Mostly, it involved him pacing back and forth, saying things like, &quot;Hmmmm. I wish there were somebody here who could make that kind of call.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a short time after our sincerely awesome managing editor bailed to take a much better job, the newsroom at the paper I used to work at was run by the publisher. That was an experience. Mostly, it involved him pacing back and forth, saying things like, &#034;Hmmmm. I wish there were somebody here who could make that kind of call.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: resipsaloquacious</title>
		<link>http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/the-future-when-the-editors-hire-the-publishers#comment-41082</link>
		<dc:creator>resipsaloquacious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But there will be no one left to blame!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But there will be no one left to blame!</p>
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		<title>By: TerseNursePornstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>TerseNursePornstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meet me out back.</description>
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		<title>By: mathnet</title>
		<link>http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/the-future-when-the-editors-hire-the-publishers#comment-41075</link>
		<dc:creator>mathnet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cho does boss them around though (or so they&#039;d have us believe).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cho does boss them around though (or so they&#039;d have us believe).</p>
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		<title>By: Abe Sauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abe Sauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to know &quot;at a bar&quot; still has its place in the publishing paradigm though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to know &#034;at a bar&#034; still has its place in the publishing paradigm though.</p>
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		<title>By: TerseNursePornstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>TerseNursePornstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pity a slow girl for posing a dumb question..but isn&#039;t this what you&#039;ve been doing here during the last 8 months? With brilliant success, I might add?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pity a slow girl for posing a dumb question..but isn&#039;t this what you&#039;ve been doing here during the last 8 months? With brilliant success, I might add?</p>
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