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	<title>Comments on: Real America, with Abe Sauer: Red Skin Cheer</title>
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		<title>By: Abe Sauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abe Sauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the origin maybe have been benign, its current usage is not. Like the swastika, things come to hold meaning over time regardless of intention. So what I mean is that the debate today is largely straightforward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the origin maybe have been benign, its current usage is not. Like the swastika, things come to hold meaning over time regardless of intention. So what I mean is that the debate today is largely straightforward.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Benjey</title>
		<link>http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/real-america-with-abe-sauer-red-skin-cheer#comment-41058</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Benjey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While the Redskins debate is fairly straightforward..&quot; is not accurate when one considers the research done by Smithsonian Linguist Emeritus Ives Goddard who spent several months researching the origin of the term &quot;redskins&quot; and found it to be benign. The word was coined by Indians to differentiate themselves from white and black people. The bloody scalp definition was apparently &quot;discovered&quot; in the 1960s by activists.

Tom Benjey, author of
&quot;Keep A-goin&#039;: the life of Lone Star Dietz&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;While the Redskins debate is fairly straightforward..&#034; is not accurate when one considers the research done by Smithsonian Linguist Emeritus Ives Goddard who spent several months researching the origin of the term &#034;redskins&#034; and found it to be benign. The word was coined by Indians to differentiate themselves from white and black people. The bloody scalp definition was apparently &#034;discovered&#034; in the 1960s by activists.</p>
<p>Tom Benjey, author of<br />
&#034;Keep A-goin&#039;: the life of Lone Star Dietz&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Mindpowered</title>
		<link>http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/real-america-with-abe-sauer-red-skin-cheer#comment-40903</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindpowered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Now I&#039;m going to Rant:

As the white husband of a Cree woman ( who has found prostitution to be the most lucrative career option in Canadian society), I&#039;ve found my self on the firing line between both groups more than once. 

The first person was myself, as I had shed a lifetime of liberal assumptions about what kind of society I lived in  and what it was like for her. 

To put it simply for her, it&#039;s a constant fucking struggle. And woe betide you if you have the misfortune to be born outside your nation and have dark skin. You might as well put a gun to your head and be done with it. The much vaunted Canadian tolerance(based largely on the lack of African slavery) stops dead when it comes to Metis, First Nations and people of joint heritage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Now I&#039;m going to Rant:</p>
<p>As the white husband of a Cree woman ( who has found prostitution to be the most lucrative career option in Canadian society), I&#039;ve found my self on the firing line between both groups more than once. </p>
<p>The first person was myself, as I had shed a lifetime of liberal assumptions about what kind of society I lived in  and what it was like for her. </p>
<p>To put it simply for her, it&#039;s a constant fucking struggle. And woe betide you if you have the misfortune to be born outside your nation and have dark skin. You might as well put a gun to your head and be done with it. The much vaunted Canadian tolerance(based largely on the lack of African slavery) stops dead when it comes to Metis, First Nations and people of joint heritage.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindpowered</title>
		<link>http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/real-america-with-abe-sauer-red-skin-cheer#comment-40896</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindpowered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed there are so many competing groups for a shrinking pie.  Moreover a lot of problems stretch back to first encounter, when who ever was on top at that time was permanently placed on top ever after (disrupting the normal turnover of political life even since). 

It&#039;s sad but one the great problems is few lineages milking the mass of the group for their own personal benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed there are so many competing groups for a shrinking pie.  Moreover a lot of problems stretch back to first encounter, when who ever was on top at that time was permanently placed on top ever after (disrupting the normal turnover of political life even since). </p>
<p>It&#039;s sad but one the great problems is few lineages milking the mass of the group for their own personal benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindpowered</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindpowered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed. The whole deep guilt of the colonization has scarred both Canada and the US (Mexico is more akin to what the south would have become had it won the civil war).

It&#039;s especially prevalent on the northern Prairies (alberta/saskatchewan/manitoba and adjoining US states), as that a) where the native population is growning and b) where (with few exceptions) immigrant(1800 + onward) population is declining (or not growing as fast).  

It&#039;s interesting as I&#039;ve mentioned how the US celebrates the martial spirit of the various nations it conquered while Canada just wishes they would go away. The dissimilarity in symbolism is quite striking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. The whole deep guilt of the colonization has scarred both Canada and the US (Mexico is more akin to what the south would have become had it won the civil war).</p>
<p>It&#039;s especially prevalent on the northern Prairies (alberta/saskatchewan/manitoba and adjoining US states), as that a) where the native population is growning and b) where (with few exceptions) immigrant(1800 + onward) population is declining (or not growing as fast).  </p>
<p>It&#039;s interesting as I&#039;ve mentioned how the US celebrates the martial spirit of the various nations it conquered while Canada just wishes they would go away. The dissimilarity in symbolism is quite striking.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindpowered</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindpowered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re not &quot;americans&quot; We&#039;re all late, Squamish, Seneca, Cree, Hopi etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#039;re not &#034;americans&#034; We&#039;re all late, Squamish, Seneca, Cree, Hopi etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sailor</title>
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		<dc:creator>sailor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification. Nice to be on the same comment thread again.</description>
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		<title>By: Rw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just to be clear certain NAACP chapters have tried but... lately most have been absent on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just to be clear certain NAACP chapters have tried but&#8230; lately most have been absent on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Rw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Washington DC native (not the First American kind) I gotta give you props. As an African American, I have to say the response from my people here in D.C. has been Most saddening to me. Where is the NAACP et al. in a city that is majority Minority ( ha ha, what the hell?) it&#039;s just puzzling and plain dumb that we have a team named the redskins supposedly representing the city. If the Redskins had been named &quot;The Darkies&quot; in &quot;Honor&quot; of a coach I wonder how this all would have played out.  A certain part of me enjoys the agony these redskins fans are feeling, from up on my high horse it looks like they deserve to have a team that sucks as hard as these clowns do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Washington DC native (not the First American kind) I gotta give you props. As an African American, I have to say the response from my people here in D.C. has been Most saddening to me. Where is the NAACP et al. in a city that is majority Minority ( ha ha, what the hell?) it&#039;s just puzzling and plain dumb that we have a team named the redskins supposedly representing the city. If the Redskins had been named &#034;The Darkies&#034; in &#034;Honor&#034; of a coach I wonder how this all would have played out.  A certain part of me enjoys the agony these redskins fans are feeling, from up on my high horse it looks like they deserve to have a team that sucks as hard as these clowns do.</p>
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		<title>By: myfanwy</title>
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		<dc:creator>myfanwy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grew up several hours north of you. Shit&#039;s still pervasive as hell up here, and if I point it out, I get blank stares and &quot;Well, they can&#039;t help it, they&#039;re just not wired that way/fit to oversee their own affairs/leeching off the gubmint.&quot; A racist alumnus donated money to the university with the stipulation that it be used for a scholarship for *anyone but* First Nations people, as they already have too many scholarships, I suppose. Ugh. Thankfully the university told him where to go and how to get there, but took a lot of flak from the general public here, &lt;i&gt;who saw nothing wrong with it.&lt;/i&gt; 

Oh, and let me tell you about my first year Anth class that devolved into a shouting match between angry racist Caucasian women and an older Aboriginal woman. 
 The First Nations woman told me later that she had felt &quot;very threatened&quot;. This is in a fucking university! And you could see the racist girls swaggering out after class, believing that they had &lt;i&gt;won&lt;/i&gt; and that they were &lt;i&gt;right&lt;/i&gt;, that they had&lt;i&gt; showed her&lt;/i&gt;. So much simmering hate here, but fear that the First Nations will somehow rise up and take it all back is really what drives it. They know their European ancestors really fucked shit up with the Aboriginals - we all learn it in school here - and a lot of the racism stems from this assumption that one day white people are gonna pay. It&#039;s an admission of guilt in a really messed-up way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grew up several hours north of you. Shit&#039;s still pervasive as hell up here, and if I point it out, I get blank stares and &#034;Well, they can&#039;t help it, they&#039;re just not wired that way/fit to oversee their own affairs/leeching off the gubmint.&#034; A racist alumnus donated money to the university with the stipulation that it be used for a scholarship for *anyone but* First Nations people, as they already have too many scholarships, I suppose. Ugh. Thankfully the university told him where to go and how to get there, but took a lot of flak from the general public here, <i>who saw nothing wrong with it.</i> </p>
<p>Oh, and let me tell you about my first year Anth class that devolved into a shouting match between angry racist Caucasian women and an older Aboriginal woman.<br />
 The First Nations woman told me later that she had felt &#034;very threatened&#034;. This is in a fucking university! And you could see the racist girls swaggering out after class, believing that they had <i>won</i> and that they were <i>right</i>, that they had<i> showed her</i>. So much simmering hate here, but fear that the First Nations will somehow rise up and take it all back is really what drives it. They know their European ancestors really fucked shit up with the Aboriginals &#8211; we all learn it in school here &#8211; and a lot of the racism stems from this assumption that one day white people are gonna pay. It&#039;s an admission of guilt in a really messed-up way.</p>
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		<title>By: carpetblogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>carpetblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My HS mascot was the Crusader. Never once, in 15 years of catholic education (and 4 years with the Jesuits!), did anyone mention there might be another side to that narrative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My HS mascot was the Crusader. Never once, in 15 years of catholic education (and 4 years with the Jesuits!), did anyone mention there might be another side to that narrative.</p>
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		<title>By: Abe Sauer</title>
		<link>http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/real-america-with-abe-sauer-red-skin-cheer#comment-40671</link>
		<dc:creator>Abe Sauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. The Indian Country system benefits the few and leaves the most of the rest in poverty. I have no solution for this. Few do. Interests are entrenched. I&#039;m talking specifically about law enforcement, especially for violent crimes. And from the federal side that is woefully underfunded. Last year there was &quot;surge&quot; of law enforcement (just like Iraq!) in the Standing Rock reservation increasing the force to 29 for 90 days. Crime dropped sharply. Then the over 2.3 million acre reservation soon went back to its 9 man force (Nine!!!) because federal funds to maintain the extra officers dried up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. The Indian Country system benefits the few and leaves the most of the rest in poverty. I have no solution for this. Few do. Interests are entrenched. I&#039;m talking specifically about law enforcement, especially for violent crimes. And from the federal side that is woefully underfunded. Last year there was &#034;surge&#034; of law enforcement (just like Iraq!) in the Standing Rock reservation increasing the force to 29 for 90 days. Crime dropped sharply. Then the over 2.3 million acre reservation soon went back to its 9 man force (Nine!!!) because federal funds to maintain the extra officers dried up.</p>
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		<title>By: BoHan</title>
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		<dc:creator>BoHan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abe, great piece. Also, Issues Day on The Awl! Where&#039;s my stuffing recipe?

OK, from the guy who knows very little about lots of things, FIRST, this is by no means a defense of a lack of rape prosecutions or silly mascots. So don&#039;t go there.

BUT Abe, when you wander into the issues of Tribal Sovereignty, the Tribal Courts, the Tribal Police, Olymphant and so on, you open up a whole bunch of issues that are not as black and white as you portray them. 

For example, if a company is off-reservation, it is totally screwed when it comes to enforcing something as simple as a repo for breach of contract for failure to repay a car loan. You can&#039;t get a tow truck onto the reservation, and you&#039;ll lose at Tribal Court anyway.  There is total Tribal hometowning going on, and who knows who started this chicken and egg and when, but it&#039;s bad, and the citizens of the Reservation lose in the end. Few off-reservation will do business with them, let alone open up a company there. So yeah, Tribal Sovereignty is the greater good and everything, but you can&#039;t say it had zero to do with the current state of Reservation poverty. And the issues get even more mixed up from there. 

Time for more wine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abe, great piece. Also, Issues Day on The Awl! Where&#039;s my stuffing recipe?</p>
<p>OK, from the guy who knows very little about lots of things, FIRST, this is by no means a defense of a lack of rape prosecutions or silly mascots. So don&#039;t go there.</p>
<p>BUT Abe, when you wander into the issues of Tribal Sovereignty, the Tribal Courts, the Tribal Police, Olymphant and so on, you open up a whole bunch of issues that are not as black and white as you portray them. </p>
<p>For example, if a company is off-reservation, it is totally screwed when it comes to enforcing something as simple as a repo for breach of contract for failure to repay a car loan. You can&#039;t get a tow truck onto the reservation, and you&#039;ll lose at Tribal Court anyway.  There is total Tribal hometowning going on, and who knows who started this chicken and egg and when, but it&#039;s bad, and the citizens of the Reservation lose in the end. Few off-reservation will do business with them, let alone open up a company there. So yeah, Tribal Sovereignty is the greater good and everything, but you can&#039;t say it had zero to do with the current state of Reservation poverty. And the issues get even more mixed up from there. </p>
<p>Time for more wine.</p>
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		<title>By: kpants</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh. To be fair, he does say &quot;pretty good point&quot; not once, but twice, which totally makes it true rather than a substitute for actual analysis. My favorite is the rhetorical device of &quot;Why the double standard?  Could it be that the logo, in both instances, isnâ€™t really hostile and abusive at all?&quot; Gee, who could possibly imagine why co-opting Lakota culture for entertainment purposes by a state that has an ongoing history of being actively hostile and abusive towards native peoples could be considered wrong. 

This whole obliviousness reminds me a lot of what happened in Miller in 2001 when a bunch of white boys chased and shot guns at native girls after a basketball game. The racist slurs and &quot;war crying&quot; aimed at players during the game were just as much a part of the violence as what continued to happen afterward. There was a concerted and deliberate pose struck by the white community to pretend that none of this GROUP PARTICIPATORY activity existed or resulted from the current non-native culture of hate and violence. This American Life did a story a long while back on it; I feel like it&#039;s still worth a good listen for those who might not understand the pervasiveness of these attitudes.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=937

We have family friends that live somewhat nearby in Redfield, who while otherwise liberally minded people, excused the whole social/cultural environment that led to the situation by saying, &quot;well, that doesn&#039;t happen all the time, obviously.&quot; Just some of the time, then, which I guess makes it okay. Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh. To be fair, he does say &#034;pretty good point&#034; not once, but twice, which totally makes it true rather than a substitute for actual analysis. My favorite is the rhetorical device of &#034;Why the double standard?  Could it be that the logo, in both instances, isnâ€™t really hostile and abusive at all?&#034; Gee, who could possibly imagine why co-opting Lakota culture for entertainment purposes by a state that has an ongoing history of being actively hostile and abusive towards native peoples could be considered wrong. </p>
<p>This whole obliviousness reminds me a lot of what happened in Miller in 2001 when a bunch of white boys chased and shot guns at native girls after a basketball game. The racist slurs and &#034;war crying&#034; aimed at players during the game were just as much a part of the violence as what continued to happen afterward. There was a concerted and deliberate pose struck by the white community to pretend that none of this GROUP PARTICIPATORY activity existed or resulted from the current non-native culture of hate and violence. This American Life did a story a long while back on it; I feel like it&#039;s still worth a good listen for those who might not understand the pervasiveness of these attitudes.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=937" rel="nofollow">http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=937</a></p>
<p>We have family friends that live somewhat nearby in Redfield, who while otherwise liberally minded people, excused the whole social/cultural environment that led to the situation by saying, &#034;well, that doesn&#039;t happen all the time, obviously.&#034; Just some of the time, then, which I guess makes it okay. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: maebefunke</title>
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		<dc:creator>maebefunke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work on this piece, Abe. As an anthropologist working on an Indian reservation in Washington state, I see the racism directed at my friends and colleagues non-stop. Shit&#039;s fucked up. Sports mascots are but a blip on the surface of centuries worth of systematic degradation. We are far from post-colonial. 

Notes from undergrad: The Dartmouth &quot;Big Green&quot; used to be the &quot;Indians&quot; and the old guys at homecoming still buy Indians paraphernalia from the Dartmouth Review (crazy neo-con student paper) hobble around campus talking about how much better the place was when there weren&#039;t any women allowed (unless they were bused in from the 7 sisters for sexytime on the weekends). It&#039;s gross.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work on this piece, Abe. As an anthropologist working on an Indian reservation in Washington state, I see the racism directed at my friends and colleagues non-stop. Shit&#039;s fucked up. Sports mascots are but a blip on the surface of centuries worth of systematic degradation. We are far from post-colonial. </p>
<p>Notes from undergrad: The Dartmouth &#034;Big Green&#034; used to be the &#034;Indians&#034; and the old guys at homecoming still buy Indians paraphernalia from the Dartmouth Review (crazy neo-con student paper) hobble around campus talking about how much better the place was when there weren&#039;t any women allowed (unless they were bused in from the 7 sisters for sexytime on the weekends). It&#039;s gross.</p>
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		<title>By: MisterHippity</title>
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		<dc:creator>MisterHippity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me if this has been mentioned already (I&#039;m too tired to read through all the comments above), but here&#039;s a fun fact: The Redksins got their name because they had a Native American coach back in 1933: William &quot;Lone Star&quot; Dietz. They were in Boston at the time, and they changed the name from &quot;Braves&quot; to &quot;Redskins&quot; in honor of Dietz (who apparently didn&#039;t find the name offensive).

The were the only NFL team ever to have a Native American coach. And one result of that, ironically, is a name-change that has insulted many Native Americans ever since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me if this has been mentioned already (I&#039;m too tired to read through all the comments above), but here&#039;s a fun fact: The Redksins got their name because they had a Native American coach back in 1933: William &#034;Lone Star&#034; Dietz. They were in Boston at the time, and they changed the name from &#034;Braves&#034; to &#034;Redskins&#034; in honor of Dietz (who apparently didn&#039;t find the name offensive).</p>
<p>The were the only NFL team ever to have a Native American coach. And one result of that, ironically, is a name-change that has insulted many Native Americans ever since.</p>
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		<title>By: garge</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in a suburb of Cleveland; in middle school, we had a small assembly in the library.  Members of a Native American tribe were to present to us about their reservation and day to day. 

Being twelve and all, we settled into a comfortable lull of note-passing and spying on some boy we stalked.  Until the slide show took a turn in tone.  The person giving the presentation began showing all of these slides of suburban sprawl.  A deadpan shot of the freeway exit to their reservation.  The strip malls encroaching upon their land, driving animals away.  He was talking about poverty, and alcoholism.  And then the whole presentation was co-opted into a People Not Mascots protest.  

My first reaction was glee, of course, because our teachers were soooo uncomfortable.  Clearly they went off script.  And you CAN&#039;T INTERRUPT AN INDIAN.

But ultimately, it profoundly affected me.  He articulated the pain of racism, and I had never been so intimately aware of it before.  A friend and I joined them at the peaceful protest which is held in downtown Cleveland before the first home game of every month.  

I haven&#039;t thought about it since I moved away.  But thank you for this post, as it was both informative and allowed me to revisit a past locus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in a suburb of Cleveland; in middle school, we had a small assembly in the library.  Members of a Native American tribe were to present to us about their reservation and day to day. </p>
<p>Being twelve and all, we settled into a comfortable lull of note-passing and spying on some boy we stalked.  Until the slide show took a turn in tone.  The person giving the presentation began showing all of these slides of suburban sprawl.  A deadpan shot of the freeway exit to their reservation.  The strip malls encroaching upon their land, driving animals away.  He was talking about poverty, and alcoholism.  And then the whole presentation was co-opted into a People Not Mascots protest.  </p>
<p>My first reaction was glee, of course, because our teachers were soooo uncomfortable.  Clearly they went off script.  And you CAN&#039;T INTERRUPT AN INDIAN.</p>
<p>But ultimately, it profoundly affected me.  He articulated the pain of racism, and I had never been so intimately aware of it before.  A friend and I joined them at the peaceful protest which is held in downtown Cleveland before the first home game of every month.  </p>
<p>I haven&#039;t thought about it since I moved away.  But thank you for this post, as it was both informative and allowed me to revisit a past locus.</p>
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		<title>By: Abe Sauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abe Sauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This point about outsiderness is so important. One irony is that many Fighting Sioux logo supporters point out tat those most against the logo are the pointy-headed liberal OUTSIDERS at the University who just moved to the state, not realizing of course that they themselves are the ultimate outsiders for the region. And while I could not find a place for it, I;m sure you&#039;ll find sentiments like this familiar not only in that they exist but in that there is widespread agreement about the point they make:
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/no_sioux_logo_no_sioux_casinos/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This point about outsiderness is so important. One irony is that many Fighting Sioux logo supporters point out tat those most against the logo are the pointy-headed liberal OUTSIDERS at the University who just moved to the state, not realizing of course that they themselves are the ultimate outsiders for the region. And while I could not find a place for it, I;m sure you&#039;ll find sentiments like this familiar not only in that they exist but in that there is widespread agreement about the point they make:<br />
<a href="http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/no_sioux_logo_no_sioux_casinos/" rel="nofollow">http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/no_sioux_logo_no_sioux_casinos/</a></p>
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		<title>By: kpants</title>
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		<dc:creator>kpants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Abe, this is great. I grew up in southern South Dakota, and the levels of racism (veiled or unveiled) and consequent internalized racism flourishing there were and still are astounding. It was lucky that as a kid a mixed-race friend taught me to choose &quot;Lakota&quot; rather than &quot;Indian&quot; or &quot;Sioux,&quot; but the white panic levels were such that I was constantly corrected by white adults (my own family included) to use the slurs instead. The reason given to me was &quot;because that&#039;s [Sioux, Indian] what they are, &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; just want to say it&#039;s differnt.&quot; This sort of othering was/is not unusual, and you&#039;re right to point out that sports mascots are but one symptom of the huge socio-economic and racism issues that persist. For instance, my mom defensively points to the myth that SD state universities grant tribal members free tuition as evidence that &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; don&#039;t want to better themselves because &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; don&#039;t get degrees. Pointing out that getting to college when the systemic lack of economic resources and support to finish as far as high school even (let alone the lie of free college) may demonstrate the fable of free university education is a specious argument, however it quiets only that specific deflection against the charge of institutionalized racism. It&#039;s always one excuse or another why &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; are to blame for the very racism used against them. I won&#039;t even bother with the usual variations on the trope &quot;they&#039;re all drunk, promiscuous, lazy, and stupid&quot;; That excuse gets trotted out by all bigots everywhere against whomever the object of hate. Adding to this is a sort of racial insularity that&#039;s not necessarily obvious to those outside the Dakotas; Nearly every white parent I know (of my and my parent&#039;s generation, at least) has a &quot;funny&quot; story about the first time their kid(s) saw a black person. I am not surprised vocal support exists for outsider caricatures of various native peoples as examples of &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; tribal pride. It&#039;s one of the few instances of visibility within pop culture that&#039;s ever granted to native peoples. It makes the privileged feel better about implicitly enforcing a system that continues to make money off peoples encouraged to remain silent, invisible, and colorless outside of the green they provide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Abe, this is great. I grew up in southern South Dakota, and the levels of racism (veiled or unveiled) and consequent internalized racism flourishing there were and still are astounding. It was lucky that as a kid a mixed-race friend taught me to choose &#034;Lakota&#034; rather than &#034;Indian&#034; or &#034;Sioux,&#034; but the white panic levels were such that I was constantly corrected by white adults (my own family included) to use the slurs instead. The reason given to me was &#034;because that&#039;s [Sioux, Indian] what they are, <i>they</i> just want to say it&#039;s differnt.&#034; This sort of othering was/is not unusual, and you&#039;re right to point out that sports mascots are but one symptom of the huge socio-economic and racism issues that persist. For instance, my mom defensively points to the myth that SD state universities grant tribal members free tuition as evidence that <i>they</i> don&#039;t want to better themselves because <i>they</i> don&#039;t get degrees. Pointing out that getting to college when the systemic lack of economic resources and support to finish as far as high school even (let alone the lie of free college) may demonstrate the fable of free university education is a specious argument, however it quiets only that specific deflection against the charge of institutionalized racism. It&#039;s always one excuse or another why <i>they</i> are to blame for the very racism used against them. I won&#039;t even bother with the usual variations on the trope &#034;they&#039;re all drunk, promiscuous, lazy, and stupid&#034;; That excuse gets trotted out by all bigots everywhere against whomever the object of hate. Adding to this is a sort of racial insularity that&#039;s not necessarily obvious to those outside the Dakotas; Nearly every white parent I know (of my and my parent&#039;s generation, at least) has a &#034;funny&#034; story about the first time their kid(s) saw a black person. I am not surprised vocal support exists for outsider caricatures of various native peoples as examples of <i>their</i> tribal pride. It&#039;s one of the few instances of visibility within pop culture that&#039;s ever granted to native peoples. It makes the privileged feel better about implicitly enforcing a system that continues to make money off peoples encouraged to remain silent, invisible, and colorless outside of the green they provide.</p>
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		<title>By: Bittersweet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bittersweet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Hogs and Riggo! Dan Snyder killed my Skins love too. *sob*</description>
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		<title>By: belltolls</title>
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		<dc:creator>belltolls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KUO: I NEVER SAW THOSE!</description>
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		<title>By: sailor</title>
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		<dc:creator>sailor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Growing up in D.C. I managed to get involved in Native American rights in the early 60s while rooting for the Redskins with heart and soul. Absolute contradiction I&#039;ll grant you, but I wasn&#039;t around to protest when they named the team and there wasn&#039;t much I could do about it, so Joe Gibbs, the Hogs, Riggo, Charley Taylor, Joe Theismann, Art Monk it was. And we won 3 super bowls and also beat Dallas when it mattered, which was always more important.

And now Dan Snyder has wrecked the franchise, so now they are well and truly the Deadskins, which is even worse. Feh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing up in D.C. I managed to get involved in Native American rights in the early 60s while rooting for the Redskins with heart and soul. Absolute contradiction I&#039;ll grant you, but I wasn&#039;t around to protest when they named the team and there wasn&#039;t much I could do about it, so Joe Gibbs, the Hogs, Riggo, Charley Taylor, Joe Theismann, Art Monk it was. And we won 3 super bowls and also beat Dallas when it mattered, which was always more important.</p>
<p>And now Dan Snyder has wrecked the franchise, so now they are well and truly the Deadskins, which is even worse. Feh.</p>
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		<title>By: KarenUhOh</title>
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		<dc:creator>KarenUhOh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um. . .as for &quot;never cartoony,&quot; well, if you search back to the 60&#039;s or 70&#039;s, you will find your share of Wampumy kitsch depictions of the Chief that would offend all but the most diehard Indians fan.

In fact, one of my prized possessions is a rug adorning the laundry room with those leering injun caricatures. But, it&#039;s, well, um, &lt;i&gt;ironic.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um. . .as for &#034;never cartoony,&#034; well, if you search back to the 60&#039;s or 70&#039;s, you will find your share of Wampumy kitsch depictions of the Chief that would offend all but the most diehard Indians fan.</p>
<p>In fact, one of my prized possessions is a rug adorning the laundry room with those leering injun caricatures. But, it&#039;s, well, um, <i>ironic.</i></p>
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		<title>By: KarenUhOh</title>
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		<dc:creator>KarenUhOh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abe, &amp; my fellow Illini:

I thought I&#039;d be a lot more upset about the &quot;forced retirement&quot; of the Chief than I was. . .part of the benefit of growing older--at least for SOME sports fans--is you figure out that your silly behavior can lapse into ludicrous behavior. But still, this whole &quot;Illini&quot; lore is part of my cultural DNA, and to suggest my &quot;being an Illini&quot; is an affront simply makes no sense, if you aren&#039;t an Iowa basketball fan.

I was visiting Dartmouth a few years back--a school with an utterly barren sports program--and these two young men were on the corner behind a card table, selling shirts that read, &quot;The Indian Will Never Die.&quot; They&#039;d taken their symbol away, as well, and now were called the Big Green.

I bought one of their shirts. Because, as a Martian, I was appalled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abe, &amp; my fellow Illini:</p>
<p>I thought I&#039;d be a lot more upset about the &#034;forced retirement&#034; of the Chief than I was. . .part of the benefit of growing older&#8211;at least for SOME sports fans&#8211;is you figure out that your silly behavior can lapse into ludicrous behavior. But still, this whole &#034;Illini&#034; lore is part of my cultural DNA, and to suggest my &#034;being an Illini&#034; is an affront simply makes no sense, if you aren&#039;t an Iowa basketball fan.</p>
<p>I was visiting Dartmouth a few years back&#8211;a school with an utterly barren sports program&#8211;and these two young men were on the corner behind a card table, selling shirts that read, &#034;The Indian Will Never Die.&#034; They&#039;d taken their symbol away, as well, and now were called the Big Green.</p>
<p>I bought one of their shirts. Because, as a Martian, I was appalled.</p>
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		<title>By: Flashman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flashman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway, by the time I left (96) they&#039;d decided to ditch this mascot, and according to wikipedia in 2005 the school chose &#039;Marty the Martlet&#039; as its new mascot.
(PS according to WP, my &quot;late 19th century&quot; should be &#039;1929&#039;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway, by the time I left (96) they&#039;d decided to ditch this mascot, and according to wikipedia in 2005 the school chose &#039;Marty the Martlet&#039; as its new mascot.<br />
(PS according to WP, my &#034;late 19th century&#034; should be &#039;1929&#039;).</p>
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