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Friday, November 20, 2009

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“That was a bad generation of men."

Stephen King's review of Raymond Carver's biography and Collected Stories is a hell of a thing. I am generally of the school that says you separate the art from the artist, but reading this piece made me more than a little uneasy.

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Abe Sauer
Abe Sauer (#148)

Christ, ever since King got sober he never misses an opportunity to write about alcoholism and all its accouterment.

belltolls
belltolls (#184)

King was a little pennywise but pound foolish in this review.

HiredGoons
HiredGoons (#603)

Peter Straub's 'Ghost Story' was a TERRIBLE movie.

Moff
Moff (#28)

Why uneasy, B? I mean, Carver's sundry and varied assholeries don't appear to have been that enormous, compared with lots of other artists'.

The Gordon Lish stuff is fascinating, though. Interesting that while he gutted some of Carver's work and took far greater editorial liberties than was probably proper, from an empirical standpoint it worked. Until we can visit a parallel universe in which those stories were presented unedited, we'll never know whether Lish's revisions were essential to Carver's becoming a recognizable name.

belltolls
belltolls (#184)

Yes. I once read a critic who said something like: great writers are rarely great people or even very nice. The Gish edits? Would I have ever known of Carver just on John Gardner's say so? I still haven't finished October Light.

HiredGoons
HiredGoons (#603)

There was an interesting New York article on this (I think!?) a few months ago... I may be wrong...

HiredGoons
HiredGoons (#603)

New YorkER.

sunnyciegos
sunnyciegos (#551)

Yes, it was two years ago, believe it or not. I thought it was pretty comprehensive. It's been rehashed since then a few times but it's never not interesting.

finn
finn (#940)

Here's the article.

They also published the original version of "What We Talk About When We Talk About Love" along with Gordon Lish's edits on their website.

Better to Eat You With

Indiana University has a Carver collection with original manuscripts, but you have to be approved to get in. Another writer and I are planning to propose a day or two to look them over, in part to think more on the question of Lish's edits and their impact. This will be some day when we don't have thirty other pressing things to do, so maybe it will never happen.

Lionel Mandrake

Really, King is the last one who should bitch about heavy-handed editing. Nearly every one of his books could be half as long and not lose a thing.

Tulletilsynet
Tulletilsynet (#333)

Cheever and Carver being awful alky buddies together at Iowa, now that could be an awesome novel.

GiovanniGF
GiovanniGF (#224)

It'd be great with a cameo from a raging, drunk Richard Yates.

GiovanniGF
GiovanniGF (#224)

er, "of," not "from."

Moff
Moff (#28)

No, no -- I think you had it the first time. Or maybe "by." But I don't think "of."

GiovanniGF
GiovanniGF (#224)

Oh god, I was just folding laundry 4 hours later and the thought struck me - "by"! I ran to my computer and was glad to see someone other than me had cared enough to weigh in.

gregorg
gregorg (#30)

It will be awesome, with a special guest appearance by the harbinger of doom, Richard Simmons.

There you go, I edited it for you.

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