Comments on: Footnotes of Mad Men: Misfits, Horse Meat and Clark Gable http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable Seriously, this could not be more beta Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:41:15 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: revmeg http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-34236 revmeg Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:08:53 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-34236 About the part of the episode dealing with feeding dogs horsemeat...when my husband and I saw that, we both turned to each other at the same instant and exclaimed, "That's Kal Kan!" We both remember Kal Kan well. My family had two dogs when I was Sally Draper's age, a poodle and a yorkshire terrier, and it was my job to feed the dogs, mixing Kal Kan with Walter Kendall 5's kibble. Walter Kendall came in a 20 pound green bag and was five different colors. The dogs scarfed it down. At the time it made no difference to me what it was made of, and even though I am now a member of PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) I think the consumption of certain meats and not others is largely cultural. Most people in the United States would never think of eating dog, yet in other countries it is commonplace. One of my favorite movies is "Little Big Man" about a 110 year old white man raised by the Cheyenne, who has this to say about their diet: "Dog is greasy, I admit, but you would be surprised at how delicate it can taste, especially when you're starving." Hindus won't eat cow, Muslims and Jews won't touch pork...it's cultural. About the part of the episode dealing with feeding dogs horsemeat…when my husband and I saw that, we both turned to each other at the same instant and exclaimed, "That's Kal Kan!" We both remember Kal Kan well. My family had two dogs when I was Sally Draper's age, a poodle and a yorkshire terrier, and it was my job to feed the dogs, mixing Kal Kan with Walter Kendall 5's kibble. Walter Kendall came in a 20 pound green bag and was five different colors. The dogs scarfed it down. At the time it made no difference to me what it was made of, and even though I am now a member of PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) I think the consumption of certain meats and not others is largely cultural. Most people in the United States would never think of eating dog, yet in other countries it is commonplace. One of my favorite movies is "Little Big Man" about a 110 year old white man raised by the Cheyenne, who has this to say about their diet: "Dog is greasy, I admit, but you would be surprised at how delicate it can taste, especially when you're starving." Hindus won't eat cow, Muslims and Jews won't touch pork…it's cultural.

]]> By: revmeg http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-34063 revmeg Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:29:01 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-34063 Yep, I'm a California girl...about the same age as Don Draper's daughter Sally. My Dad eventually left the missle program to help send men to the moon, so I got to meet a few astronauts (they were my heroes). Much better than blowing up the world, in my opinion. If Sally Draper is anything like me, she will overcome her upbringing (especially her mother) marry a reformed bad boy biker (the total opposite of Don Draper and my dad) and become minister. Yep, I'm a California girl…about the same age as Don Draper's daughter Sally.

My Dad eventually left the missle program to help send men to the moon, so I got to meet a few astronauts (they were my heroes). Much better than blowing up the world, in my opinion.

If Sally Draper is anything like me, she will overcome her upbringing (especially her mother) marry a reformed bad boy biker (the total opposite of Don Draper and my dad) and become minister.

]]> By: Natasha Vargas-Cooper http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33971 Natasha Vargas-Cooper Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:43:41 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33971 Too busy listening to my crass albums. Too busy listening to my crass albums.

]]> By: haensgen http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33763 haensgen Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:41:25 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33763 I get the impression the director is practically in her face giving her orders for every tiny bit of dialogue. She sounded kind of dense in that GQ piece. She obviously enjoys being a sex object. The whole interview was pretty embarrassing. I get the impression the director is practically in her face giving her orders for every tiny bit of dialogue.
She sounded kind of dense in that GQ piece. She obviously enjoys being a sex object. The whole interview was pretty embarrassing.

]]> By: mathnet http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33735 mathnet Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:09:31 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33735 TOTALLY! I am dumb. TOTALLY! I am dumb.

]]> By: Natasha Vargas-Cooper http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33731 Natasha Vargas-Cooper Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:51:09 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33731 My plate is also in need of some DUCKSAUCE. My plate is also in need of some DUCKSAUCE.

]]> By: Natasha Vargas-Cooper http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33720 Natasha Vargas-Cooper Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:14:34 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33720 Phlox- If they can create the quietly noisy relaxed intensity. Phlox- If they can create the quietly noisy relaxed intensity.

]]> By: phlox http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33717 phlox Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:58:56 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33717 I assume, Natasha, that <i><b>Hump the Hostess</i></b>' is on the menu as well? At your so-called 'parties'? I assume, Natasha, that Hump the Hostess' is on the menu as well?
At your so-called 'parties'?

]]> By: Natasha Vargas-Cooper http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33715 Natasha Vargas-Cooper Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:44:51 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33715 Are you from California? Aerospace daddies were a big part of our social history here. Are you from California? Aerospace daddies were a big part of our social history here.

]]> By: revmeg http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33708 revmeg Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:11:49 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33708 I have watched every single episode of Mad Men, and I finally have to say it...my parents were real life versions of Don and Betty Draper (my dad even had the same first name)! Every time Betty snaps at Sally and Bobby I hear the way my mother used to speak to me and my sister. My dad did not work in advertising, he worked in aerospace. During my early childhood he designed missles, and I well remember that nerve wracking time when we faced off with Russia over the missile bases in Cuba. Every other house on our block had a bomb shelter, and when the crises was over we kids used to play in them. My dad was very distant with my sister and me until he discovered we were talented musically, at which point he did everything he could to encourage us, giving us music lessons and taking us to musicals, symphonies and plays; otherwise we did not have much to talk about. I do not know anything about either parent's childhood, it was not talked about then and it is not talked about now. I do know they both grew up desperately poor and from what one of my aunts has said, may not have had enough to eat at times (they grew up during the depression). I think their memories were too painful to share. Like Don Draper, my dad hid a lot of things from my mother. Like Betty, my mother was beautiful and concerned that her life looked perfect to the neighbors even though she knew it was not. I have watched every single episode of Mad Men, and I finally have to say it…my parents were real life versions of Don and Betty Draper (my dad even had the same first name)! Every time Betty snaps at Sally and Bobby I hear the way my mother used to speak to me and my sister. My dad did not work in advertising, he worked in aerospace. During my early childhood he designed missles, and I well remember that nerve wracking time when we faced off with Russia over the missile bases in Cuba. Every other house on our block had a bomb shelter, and when the crises was over we kids used to play in them. My dad was very distant with my sister and me until he discovered we were talented musically, at which point he did everything he could to encourage us, giving us music lessons and taking us to musicals, symphonies and plays; otherwise we did not have much to talk about. I do not know anything about either parent's childhood, it was not talked about then and it is not talked about now. I do know they both grew up desperately poor and from what one of my aunts has said, may not have had enough to eat at times (they grew up during the depression). I think their memories were too painful to share. Like Don Draper, my dad hid a lot of things from my mother. Like Betty, my mother was beautiful and concerned that her life looked perfect to the neighbors even though she knew it was not.

]]> By: oudemia http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33707 oudemia Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:04:27 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33707 But mathnet, you should have known that since it has already been mentioned on the show! Joan had gotten tickets to <i>Oliver!</i> (never forget that screamer!) for the nasty Brits! But mathnet, you should have known that since it has already been mentioned on the show! Joan had gotten tickets to Oliver! (never forget that screamer!) for the nasty Brits!

]]> By: Natasha Vargas-Cooper http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33678 Natasha Vargas-Cooper Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:31:07 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33678 Roger is my favorite supporting character! Every time he comes on screen he gets a reaction -- which generally complicated! He's also gives such a graceful, mannered performance. Miss you, season 1! Roger is my favorite supporting character! Every time he comes on screen he gets a reaction — which generally complicated! He's also gives such a graceful, mannered performance. Miss you, season 1!

]]> By: lostdownunder http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33652 lostdownunder Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:26:47 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33652 Though I wanted all Betty/Don all the time the other night, I was glad to have a bit more Roger- I've really missed him and his and Don's destroyed relationship makes me sad. Side anecdote: when I lived in LA I managed a little West Hollywood cafe that was always in danger of failing (not my fault!) and Slattery was a daily customer. He was always really nice and we reminisced often about our east coast backgrounds. When Mad Men premiered I was shocked to see my regular customer on the screen- I'd had no idea he was an actor. The next morning I told him how impressed I was and congratulated him on the new show. He was very humble and grateful and it still me makes me smile that he responded "Well, let's just hope you weren't the only one." Though I wanted all Betty/Don all the time the other night, I was glad to have a bit more Roger- I've really missed him and his and Don's destroyed relationship makes me sad. Side anecdote: when I lived in LA I managed a little West Hollywood cafe that was always in danger of failing (not my fault!) and Slattery was a daily customer. He was always really nice and we reminisced often about our east coast backgrounds. When Mad Men premiered I was shocked to see my regular customer on the screen- I'd had no idea he was an actor. The next morning I told him how impressed I was and congratulated him on the new show. He was very humble and grateful and it still me makes me smile that he responded "Well, let's just hope you weren't the only one."

]]> By: Natasha Vargas-Cooper http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33609 Natasha Vargas-Cooper Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:33:05 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33609 I still don't think that babeh is going to make it. I still don't think that babeh is going to make it.

]]> By: barnhouse http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33568 barnhouse Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:22:22 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33568 <i>Laugh-In</i>. Laugh-In.

]]> By: mathnet http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33474 mathnet Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:46:36 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33474 Oh! And it was also neat how the baby started crying in the middle of the confrontation? So that we were reminded of how pissed Don/Dick was about the NAME she'd given their son. Oh! And it was also neat how the baby started crying in the middle of the confrontation? So that we were reminded of how pissed Don/Dick was about the NAME she'd given their son.

]]> By: mathnet http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33473 mathnet Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:41:52 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33473 Oh! See now that 1963 FOOTNOTE helps me feel a little better, so thanks. Oh! See now that 1963 FOOTNOTE helps me feel a little better, so thanks.

]]> By: bb http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33470 bb Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:23:31 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33470 I wonder what their plan is for future seasons.. if Don is the focus of a story about the conflicts of persona/profession in of the early 60s, wouldn't it make sense that others would take center stage as it progresses (of course, I mean Peggy but maybe she already had her day in Season 1). But my sense from Weiner interviews is that he is most interested in Don - so we might be stuck with him, in which case I think you are right that the premise has a limited run. I wonder what their plan is for future seasons.. if Don is the focus of a story about the conflicts of persona/profession in of the early 60s, wouldn't it make sense that others would take center stage as it progresses (of course, I mean Peggy but maybe she already had her day in Season 1). But my sense from Weiner interviews is that he is most interested in Don – so we might be stuck with him, in which case I think you are right that the premise has a limited run.

]]> By: Adouble http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33460 Adouble Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:24:37 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33460 Here are other technical terms whose actual meanings may be safely ignored to talk about how dreamy John Hamm is. Start trends! Remember, if it sounds wrong to someone, it only means that that person is a nerd who knows what those things <i>used</i> to mean. "Hamm has that exhilarating axiom..." "Hamm has that exhilarating inductive proof..." "Hamm has that exhilarating beta decay rate..." Here are other technical terms whose actual meanings may be safely ignored to talk about how dreamy John Hamm is. Start trends! Remember, if it sounds wrong to someone, it only means that that person is a nerd who knows what those things used to mean.
"Hamm has that exhilarating axiom…"
"Hamm has that exhilarating inductive proof…"
"Hamm has that exhilarating beta decay rate…"

]]> By: Natasha Vargas-Cooper http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33452 Natasha Vargas-Cooper Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:38:39 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33452 I play Get the Guests at all my parties. I play Get the Guests at all my parties.

]]> By: phlox http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33451 phlox Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:36:21 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33451 It's a familiar dance, Monkey Nipples (HiredGoons). We both know it. It's a familiar dance, Monkey Nipples (HiredGoons).
We both know it.

]]> By: Natasha Vargas-Cooper http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33450 Natasha Vargas-Cooper Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:28:58 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33450 Algorithm as a synonym for 'formula'. Webster's ain't got shit on the Awl. Algorithm as a synonym for 'formula'. Webster's ain't got shit on the Awl.

]]> By: fuzzyjay http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33447 fuzzyjay Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:12:25 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33447 I go back and forth on JJ, but Elisabeth Moss is incredible to watch. I go back and forth on JJ, but Elisabeth Moss is incredible to watch.

]]> By: fuzzyjay http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33446 fuzzyjay Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:06:34 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33446 It jarred a little. Not too bad for me. It jarred a little. Not too bad for me.

]]> By: fuzzyjay http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/footnotes-of-mad-men-with-natasha-vargas-cooper-misfits-horse-meat-and-clark-gable#comment-33445 fuzzyjay Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:05:26 +0000 http://www.theawl.com/?p=16639#comment-33445 Maybe "amalgam" was the word: "a mixture of different elements." Maybe "amalgam" was the word: "a mixture of different elements."

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