Monday, September 28th, 2009

Rape-Rape Is The REALLY Bad One, Right?

Whoopi makes distinctions"I know it wasn't rape-rape. It was something else but I don't believe it was rape-rape."
-"View" co-host Whoopi Goldberg discuss the nuances of the Roman Polanski case.

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HiredGoons (#603)

I'm not sure how much nuance a quaalude has.

Renate (#360)

It wasn't "rape-rape" it was child-rape.

oudemia (#177)

It was the no, no, no, please, no kind of anal rape of a child. (And with that, I officially become incoherent on this topic.)

slinkimalinki (#182)

oh, you did well. i can't say a damn thing about it without becoming incoherent.

Bittersweet (#765)

As the mother of a young girl, I AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Neither can I, apparently.

lululemming (#409)

Here's a poem I use to remember what constitutes actual rape. It works 100 per cent of the time.

Ugly and stranger/ Rape-rape that's real danger
Famous and monied/ Get over it honey!
Raped while on 'luudes? Dudes will be dudes.
Raped while a W.A.S.P/ quick, call the cops!
Raped by Joe Francis? Well, you showed him your asses
Raped and right race, Hello, Nancy Grace!

Tuna Surprise (#573)

Here's a few more helpful ones:

Raped while drunk?/C'mon, he's a hunk!
Raped on a date?/It's every girl's fate.

slinkimalinki (#182)

such a shame doctor suess is too dead to do ittlustrations.

slinkimalinki (#182)

*illustrations* obvs. see, i told you i was incoherent.

Abe Sauer (#148)

I suppose this is as good a place as any (maybe there isn't one…) to ask an innocent question: Do I never read about homosexual instances of rape because they don;t get reported, because the media doesn't care to report on them, or because they just do not happen that often?

NicFit (#616)

There was that blind item like a year or two ago about some actor who raped his boyfriend. Everyone on Gawker seemed to think it was Will Smith or James Franco for what it's worth.

WindowSeat (#180)

I can't say how it is now, but when it happened to me at 16 (late 70's) I couldn't imagine reporting it and I lived in Hippie-Dippy Marin County. It happens. It's seldom-reported and some thirty years later I can talk about it and write about it, but back then I just clammed up and avoided the guy (downstairs neighbor's cousin) as best I could.

I would counsel any man in my position to come forward immediately. It's a secret not worth keeping.

HiredGoons (#603)

It is apparently extremely common in the Congo, though usually straight-on-straight as a means of dominance.

Abe Sauer (#148)

Yeah. I guess i wasn't totally clear. I didn't mean the kind of heterosexual same sex rape as dominance thing.

HiredGoons (#603)

I didn't think you did, just throwing that out there.

shaved_ape (#728)

I'm reading a blog written by a guy who's been raped by his boyfriend (probably not a rape-rape per Whoopi's definition), a stranger while waiting for a train and escaped rape by a taxi driver (all males, obvs). He dresses quite "gay" which I guess has made him a bigger target, kind of like short skirts on girls (this doesn't mean that I think anyone "deserves" or to be raped or anything, it just means that he might attract sexual attention).

Anyhow, it's probably a lot more common than you'd think, and I'm pretty sure it is that way because they don't get reported. Gender roles being what they are, it's got to be extremely hard for a male to report rape (both male and female).

slinkimalinki (#182)

i don't know that it's so much a case of attracting sexual attention as of predators wanting to "punish the fag". i suspect a lot of man-on-man rape is about straight guys raping gay men.

GetItOn (#1,182)

Whoopie has to be the "stupid-stupid." Because there's stupid, then there's stupid-stupid.

Her kid got pregnant at 15 (or fourteen), and it looks to me like she wants to walk the line of 13 year olds being able to give consent, perhaps to ease her own history.

The case is one where a 13 year old is taken to Roman by her mother, given drugs, then raped. They were not dating. This was not teenage romance love. Now, discuss what you will about consent, but if it were an adult taken in and drugged and assaulted, there would be no legal consent in that case. Here we have a 13 year old. If this took place in a trailer park with the mother taking the kid there, most people would be all kinds of Jerry Springer angry over this.

NicFit (#616)

Two questions: did he know her age? Did he supply the drugs? Details have always been sketchy on this.

jfruh (#713)

Details are however not sketchy on the subject of "did she say 'no' and then he did it anyway?"

Abe Sauer (#148)

The law is very clear on this and it does not matter.

IBentMyWookie (#133)

He definitely knew her age. Indeed, it was because of her age that he asked for her mother's permission before photographing her.

HiredGoons (#603)

He knew her age, he has a thing for young girls.

Baboleen (#1,430)

Two questions: Does it matter? O.K. Maybe she looked older, say 14, 15 or maybe even 16? Who supplied the drugs? Only matters if there was an accomplice. And I can't believe Whoopy Goldberg. Maybe (I hope)she issuffering from expressive aphasia.

oudemia (#177)

Read his stipulation of facts from the plea agreement. He states, under oath, the fact that his victim was 13 and that he knew she was 13 when he had sex with her.

GiovanniGF (#224)

This weekend I was wondering what demographic T-Mobile thought they were reaching by using Whoopi Goldberg on their myTouch 3G ads. Now I see it was the statutory rapist demographic.

NicFit (#616)

As much as I hate to be in the position of playing devil's advocate for creepiness, the age of consent was 14 in California at the time. Legally the permission to work would probably have been required for anyone under 18. Whatever, let's talk about, like something else.

hazmathilda (#839)

Which is a moot point because you can't consent if you've been drugged…

NinaHagen (#131)

I was not this girl's first lude – it was the 70's which was a really different time. I remember most of us were on Roman's side (I am female and was a teen). Read your Hollywood history – there's a mother behind this every time. He was never convicted of forced rape – he was convicted of statutory & time served. The judge fucked him & he did a not very bright thing by running.

garge (#736)

He pleaded guilty to a lesser charge; the fact that he drugged and raped a 13 yo is not disputed. Any defense lawyer will advise his or her client that a judge is not bound by sentencing agreements, only that the plea bargaining system and common law are rather dependent upon that formality. There are channels to pursue to appeal judicial misconduct, if that is what it was. Fleeing the jurisdiction is not one of them. That said, I was not alive in the 70s and I did not see the documentary.

janine (#248)

Nina, while I respect that you were alive at the time, I'll remind you there there are girls who are teenagers right now who think Chris Brown is unfairly persecuted, so.

andj (#1,074)

Well, if her mother was venal and she'd done drugs before, then I guess she's fair game?

oudemia (#177)

That's flatly false, actually. In 1977 the age of consent in CA was 16. But who cares anyway? 13 still ain't 14.

slinkimalinki (#182)

she said no. it would have been rape if she was 35.

Renate (#360)

The woman still says that he had sex with her when she was thirteen without her consent so that means he raped her.

oudemia (#177)

Everyone should read this, which I think cuts quite precisely through a lot of the bullshit being bruited about.

Baboleen (#1,430)

God damned right Kate Harding!!!

NinaHagen (#131)

@janine: I know. I work in the school system. You wanna talk horror show?

La Cieca (#1,110)

I never thought I would live to see a thread on The Awl jezebelled.

slinkimalinki (#182)

i'm not sure that being anti-rape is exclusively jezebellian

Abe Sauer (#148)

Yeah, I haven't been thrown off it yet so….

iplaudius (#1,066)

Gross. This is girl-on-girl violence at its worst.

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