Friday, September 4th, 2009

Parents Horrified By President's Controversial Message In Favor Of Hard Work, Education

"President Obama's plan to deliver a speech to public school students on Tuesday has set off a revolt among conservative parents, who have accused the president of trying to indoctrinate their children with socialist ideas and are asking school officials to excuse the children from listening."

Really, I've got nothing else on this one. I mean, what's the point? You cannot argue with crazy because crazy is not willing to be convinced. Hell, it's not even willing to listen to the arguments. What a world.

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HiredGoons (#603)

Dear fellow Americans: please stop making it so hard for me to continue to give a shit about your welfare.

Baboleen (#1,430)

Like Barney Frank said, it is like arguing with a kitchen table.

Rod T (#33)

I was arguing with my dining room table* about this just the other day about this.

* – I do not have a dining room, but I do have a wing table that can be pulled out on special occasions.

Renate (#360)

Exactly. There is a point when you have to stop engaging these people.

Kumara (#241,096)

@Renate It's true. But that doesn't mean we should let them linger in their ignorance. Those children can do many goal-achieving acts if someone teaches them how to do it the right way. Having a narrow-minded parent never leads to something good.

Rw (#1,458)

You know it's funny I've talked two two different Cab drivers who were of the Opinion that America does not deserve a President Like Obama, I was nearly inclined to agree, except my point was that the American people voted him in and this more than likely wouldn't have happened in most other western countries as enlightened a some of them may be. Now 8 ish months in I am willing to say I may have been wrong. Trying to hang on to the HOPE that most of the people in this country are worth a damn.

Look, the government may have forced them to integrate the schools down there, but it never made them integrate the TV sets inside the schools.

oudemia (#177)

Yes, the people who brought us this now intend to lecture the nation about dangerous cults of personality. And about how a rah-rah lecture about fucking personal responsibility is socialism.

Abe Sauer (#148)

Ha ha ha. True crazy is thinking a 12 minute tv address by the president will help kids in school.

WindowSeat (#180)

I think it's the Education part they're so worried about. A good education interferes with their Jesus Riding a Dinosaur agenda.

Rw (#1,458)

"Jesus Riding a Dinosaur agenda" if that isn't a perfect encapsulation of a garbage ass "belief system" I don't know what is.

HiredGoons (#603)

Jesus likes to ride dinosaurs ALL NIGHT LONG!

Maevemealone (#968)

And you know who is going to ride in to lead that agenda

La Cieca (#1,110)

The "revolt among conservative parents" consists of at most a few hundred individuals, many of whom have fairly obvious ties to their local Republican organizations.

The rest of them are the next generation of the type who were eager to believe during the 1980s that their toddlers were getting transported cross-country by balloon daily to be butt-raped by Satan-worshipping daycare workers.

What can you do except say, "I agree, ma'am, we should have every safeguard in place to discourage Satanic anal sex among the under-fives, and you are absolutely right that socialist indoctrination has no place during story time."

I actually think it goes deeper than that. My cousin is a vet of both Gulf War I and has done 2 tours in the Afghani conflict (he was one of the lucky ones that got called out of the reserves, even though he was past the usual age at which they stopped calling people up, because they were out of soldiers). He's conservative, but not a total loon, and messages of outrage about this were posted 3 or 4 times as his status yesterday. A highlight:
"This is indoctrination to a "Man"… Pure and simple. I pledged to defend a Document that protects a country from its leaders, and enemies. Not a "President"… Doesn't this sound familiar to anyone that paid attention in history class, or travelled abroad to tightly controlled societies???"

Cybria (#1,558)

That's how he see's it, and I think he is looking too deeply into the issue (as suggested by the multiple question marks). It's sad that prez Bush could go read a book to an elementary school class and he didn't get nearly as much flack about it…in fact I don't think he got any at all. :-/

Cybria (#1,558)

What can you do except say, “I agree, ma’am, we should have every safeguard in place to discourage Satanic anal sex among the under-fives, and you are absolutely right that socialist indoctrination has no place during story time.”

ROFL. Thank you very much. :)

brent_cox (#40)

The concept that children will not be exposed to any material in school not vetted by parents is fascinating. Is that what public school is like on the moon?

Cybria (#1,558)

The text of his speech was made available online…you can read it and see that there are no cleverly disguised socialist agenda messages. Is that not enough? For God sake…

El Matardillo (#586)

You know, to many people, Obama is not "the One"; he is just another politician from Washington who says the health care system needs massive change but that nothing will change for you if you like what you have, who promises equality for all but keeps gays out of the military, who spends trillions on "rescuing" the financial system while they book massive profits, and who keeps alive an auto industry that cannot make cars that Americans will buy.

Doesn't look much like the messiah to me, but just the same old crap in a nice suit with a better vocabulary.

Baboleen (#1,430)

No, he is not the Messiah, but, he may help a certain population. As for the rest? Students get to procrastinate learning, teachers get to catch up on unfinished work, and the general public has, yet another thing to debate about.

Baboleen (#1,430)

Whoops, ignore "about"

janine (#248)

Well if you think that, you're about a million times saner than the people who think he's a socialist, fascist, Muslim, extreme Christian, African, Indonesian who wants to hypnotize children with his speech.

But if you run with a crew that thinks that "all Washington people are the same, so don't get too het up about anything" is a novel or interesting stance then less power to ya!

El Matardillo (#586)

I don't run with any "crew" and I don't seek any power. I just want to keep the money I earn and not be bothered by people who think they can run my life better than I can.

janine (#248)

Cue the Merle Haggard. I'm sorry, I was born in the late 20th century, so I've only ever known a country that collected taxes to provide common services and influenced the lives of individuals through policy.

Rw (#1,458)

1)So we should Have let the economy keep on sliding Downward Draging the rest of the world with us? 2) seems like a bad idea to change anything about the dynamic of the military during a time of war and it also seems like a bad Idea not to make any effort keep at least a piece of a formally massive industry here in the United States During a time of massive Job loss… I've made some pretty big oversimplifications here, but then again so have you. This is the sound of your logic escaping me. He does have some nice suits and a great vocabulary though, I'll give you that. His house is tacky as hell though you should see it.

jean (#1,561)

The beginning of your post reminds me of Billie Jean.

Renate (#360)

I thought these types usually home-schooled the kiddies? Someone should point out to these willfully ignorant folks that their kids are in public schools which means they are receiving government subsidies in one form or another which could be called socialism.

cheshiregirl (#1,551)

"these types" meaning people who believe in God….and you think we are crazy (those of us who believe in God). i don't think that talking to my elementary school student is going to make a difference in her life so why waste the time, resources and the education that she should be getting with MY tax money AND school donations? how is MY tax money considered a form of "socialism"? socialism is having everything run by the government ie, healthcare…there is a compromise, but calling each other/party names and being rude and nasty is NOT a good start. just because we believe in God doesn't make us "ignorant"…

Yes, actually it does make you ignorant.

Cybria (#1,558)

Who mentioned anything about God? Why do Christians get offended so easily…
Also if you don't think it would make that big of an impact then why should be be so upset about it? Just let her listen and don't pull her out of school. No harm done, and she doesn't miss a day of school.
The thing is that conservatives are turning a simple "stay in school" message into this overblown political issue. Isn't it just far easier to stop listening to Glen Beck and relax?

The thing that makes me nuts about all this; the tea parties, the town hall crazies, now this, is the utter credulity with which the media treats these non-stories. In their desperate need to fill up the 24 hour news cycle, they give the rantings of, at best, a few million fringe dwellers a fair public hearing. When in reality what these people say and think is in the same vein as people who believe in the fake moon landing conspiracy or UFOs or the 9/11 truthers.

El Matardillo (#586)

Don't forget the people who think Obama was born in Atlantis.

HiredGoons (#603)

also where Jesus rides Dinosaurs.

katiebakes (#32)

I don't know. If Bush had done something like this we would all have been rendered deaf on account of the howling from every Montessori school in the nation…

Anyway, I hope they have his speech available in Laserdisc(TM) format. Some schools haven't upgraded yet! Our infrastructure isn't the only thing that is neglected and crumbling, you know.

Should also come in Beta tape.

I would like to hope that if it had been clear that Dubya was going to give a speech touching only on the positive values of education, etc., even the most raging left-wing hippie schoolteachers could have swallowed their objections and let their kids watch the President's address.

And I'm not saying that Obama's speech is the be-all, end-all. This is just kind of ridiculous generally. But what else is new?

ericdeamer (#945)

Nah, katiebakes is probably right, sadly enough.

La Cieca (#1,110)

There are public Monesstori schools?

katiebakes (#32)

Ha, I thought about that only after I pressed Submit. Details! But whatever, LOOK AT THE ELITIST LIBERALS OPTING OUT OF OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM!

Or I guess substitute "Montessori" with "Marin County Public School System" and the Oversimplified Analogy Generation Machine can again run smoothly.

BlinkyMcChuck (#202)

Bush 1 actually did do something like this, as did Reagan.

KarenUhOh (#19)

Wait. So if I just throw in with Jesus, I don't have to go to school or work hard?

Does Jesus offer Dental?

WindowSeat (#180)

Loaves, Fishes and an excellent Water-Into-Wine program(Wine Spectator gave it a 92). Downside, lots of Turning of Cheeks.

oudemia (#177)

There used to be a lot of pesky stuff about giving away all one's possessions not judging other people, but they've got some workarounds.

KenWheaton (#401)

I don't drink Obama-juice and I DO think if Dubya had done a national version similar to this, there would be screams of outrage. Park Slope would have been overrun with kids skipping school on that particular day!


1. We allow that one-armed, chain-smoking, recovering drunk who still can't nail a job talk to the kids at assembly, but we won't let the President of the U.S. have a few words about staying in school? REALLY?

2. Really, parents? You can't convince your kid that brushing his teeth daily is something that must be done. And that's with a nightly ritual of "Did you brush your teeth? Brush your teeth. You better have brushed your teeth." What the fuck do you think the president is going to accomplish in 12 minutes?

3. You've been lying to your child for 10 years about Santa Claus and Obama's the bad guy?

keisertroll (#1,117)

They're just afraid Obama's going to tell them there is no God.

Abe Sauer (#148)

I think there would have been outrage but not "screams" and there would have been almost zero pulling out of school. The Slopers you speak of would have realized 2 things. 1) Pulling kids out of school hurts their educations, which are valuable. And B) there is almost no risk of indoctrination by ANYTHING in 12 minutes. Except, maybe cocaine. Anyway, the left, INCLUDING THOSE ELECTED TO LEAD IT, never did jack further than put a "No More Wars, By George!" bumper sticker on their cars or host some sexually-suggestive half-nude "no more Bush" performo art in a NY city park in protest, let alone scream, when Bush did far worse, on a regular basis, than spend a few minutes on the TV… so to think they would have done anything but blog in outrage seems far fetched.

And Dems did protest Bush Sr.'s address in 91. meekly. I will say though, it's producing a further treasure trove of anti-Obama MS Paint.

You can't argue with crazy but you can lament that the Liberal Media is treating them seriously.

KarenUhOh (#19)

If Nixon had told me to stay in school I would've dropped out that afternoon.

ugarte (#484)

My first thought is that people think it is OK to show kids Channel One, sponsored by Oreos and "Little Nicky" but not have the President tell them to study. My second thought was that Obama should arrange to have the speech rebroadcast as a picture-in-picture during the NASCAR race in Richmond next Sunday.

KenWheaton (#401)

I think you should leak that idea to a cable news network. Call yourself an administration source and see if they run with it.

Imagine if Obama could make health-care reform/Nascar analogies? GENIUS.

The public school option is never going to work.

I'd really like to know WHICH districts in Texas are banning the speech.

My wife taught in a public School in Houston for years. Just about every year, ALL the kids in her fifth-grade class were black. Every last one.

If that's one of the schools whose kids won't get to see America's first black president urge them to work hard and stay in school, well … fuck you Mr. School Superintendant. Way to care about your fucking students.

Abe Sauer (#148)

Fergus Falls, Minnesota Superintendent of Schools sent a letter to parents saying the school would review the speech first and THEN decide if it was "appropriate for students" whatever that means. MN Gov. Pawlenty has come out against the speech. Pussy.

And Houston. Gah. I posted this earlier but

Abe Sauer (#148)

And Grand Forks, ND just joined the banned group. Other districts in the state are leaving it up to individual teachers.

HiredGoons (#603)

this is so fucking dumb.

Sweetie (#519)

Where are the folks who disagree with the speech because they think dropping out's the way to go? I'd like to hear from them.

Caps (#1,548)

yes there are public Montessori schools. Check out the Milwaukee public school district, there are 5 public schools doing Montessori.
As for the president talking to students, isn't that giving our children an occasion to feel like they are important enough that the president of the U.S. Wants to talk to them? Why not let them then decide if they like what they hear? We let t.v. Adverisements tell our children what to think, at least seeing the president in person may motivate or inspire them. What are we saying about the way we educate or children if we think a 10 minute speech from the president (whomever it is at the time) will brainwash them into believing something their parents don't? What kind of parents are we to believe our children will always think exactly like we do? Let's help our children be better than us!

ShanghaiLil (#260)

That staying in school and doing one's homework is a Democratic/socialist message should be clear from even the most cursory viewing of Fox News.

hipstr (#963)

"I wouldn’t let my next-door neighbor talk to my kid alone; I’m sure as hell not letting Barack Obama talk to him alone."

I think this one sentence beautifully encapsulates every single flaw with the conservative way of thinking.

blily (#1,411)

Well, H.W. Bush did "something like this" — he gave a very similar speech at some DC-area junior high in 1991. Some Democrats fussed about it, but the whole story was much smaller, and really people just bitched that it would cost the public school system more than 20k to put on a press event for the president.

I *was* going to say that it's sad that 20 years later, everybody just takes for granted that any public appearance a politician does is really only calculated PR, but actually, no. It is, in fact, much much sadder that people are being such paranoid hypocrites about Obama.

Link to an article about the 1991 HW Bush speech:

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